Tallpaul69 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Hi All, Does anyone know of an equivalent resource for Freight traffic or engine workings to Robert Carroll's brilliant Coach working documents, apart from the likes of Didcot Railway Museum, NRM,or National Records Kew etc.? I am looking to enhance my information on Freight and Engine workings between Slough and Reading in the period 1960-62. I have Freight WTTS for winter 1954 and Summer 1961 and partial Engine workings for Southall and OOC but still would like more detail. In particular I need Freight Train Marshalling booklets, which I have not yet found any. Please PM me if you have anything you are willing to sell or photocopy (I will pay reasonable costs and postage) Some books do come up on Ebay, but are expensive! Many thanks Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted March 9, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 9, 2020 Hello Tallpaul69 I have something for 1956 which might help (which you can have with my compliments). Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallpaul69 Posted March 9, 2020 Author Share Posted March 9, 2020 26 minutes ago, BMacdermott said: Hello Tallpaul69 I have something for 1956 which might help (which you can have with my compliments). Brian Thanks Brian, I have just sent you a PM Cheers Tallpaul69 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pobrien Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Hi There is a copy of London Area freight WTT Sept 1960-June 1961 in michaelclemensrailways.co.uk Patrick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallpaul69 Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 22 hours ago, Pobrien said: Hi There is a copy of London Area freight WTT Sept 1960-June 1961 in michaelclemensrailways.co.uk Patrick Many Thanks, I am aware of this resource, but unfortunately the detail I am looking for is not given in the WTTs What I really need is the Fright Train Marshalling Books. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 19, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 19, 2020 17 hours ago, Tallpaul69 said: Many Thanks, I am aware of this resource, but unfortunately the detail I am looking for is not given in the WTTs What I really need is the Fright Train Marshalling Books. Cheers Paul Marshalling Books are exceedingly difficult things to run to earth. i have only come across a couple in over 10 years of looking (neither would be any use to you, sorry). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallpaul69 Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: Marshalling Books are exceedingly difficult things to run to earth. i have only come across a couple in over 10 years of looking (neither would be any use to you, sorry). Thanks Mike, Yes I agree, I have managed to get a copy of one thanks to Brian Mc Dermott, which helps with some of the trains , but there is still more info to track down! Regards Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Gough Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 17 hours ago, Tallpaul69 said: What I really need is the Fright Train. Wasn't that an Arthur Askey film? Aye thenk ewe! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave47549 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) . Edited October 4, 2021 by Dave47549 Removed pointless guff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallpaul69 Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nick Gough said: Wasn't that an Arthur Askey film? Aye thenk ewe! Now who is showing their age?? But don't give the BBC ideas, they are looking for ways to fill the void left by all sport being cancelled! Still we are probably safe as all the producers and decision makers will unfortunately be far too young to know what you are talking about, and will inflict on everyone more awful channel 3 rubbish and then use that as an excuse to bring back channel 3 and cancel channel 4!! Happy days? Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallpaul69 Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dave47549 said: No marshalling books, but plenty of WTT's here: http://www.michaelclemensrailways.co.uk/?atk=572 Do pay attention and keep up! I advised I was aware of this resource in a post some 17 hours ago! Never mind, I know your intentions were good. Regards Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Gough Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Paul I have: "British Railways (Western Operating Area) Marshalling Instructions for Inter District Freight Trains, Section A, For trains starting from stations in the London District" circa 1951. I suspect this might be what you have from Brian McDermott though? Also GWR versions for 1936, 1939 and 1946. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Gough Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 15 minutes ago, Tallpaul69 said: Now who is showing their age?? "Next train's gone!" 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 19, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 19, 2020 35 minutes ago, Tallpaul69 said: Thanks Mike, Yes I agree, I have managed to get a copy of one thanks to Brian Mc Dermott, which helps with some of the trains , but there is still more info to track down! Regards Paul You would also need a London Division Trip Booklet in order to get total coverage. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallpaul69 Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 48 minutes ago, Nick Gough said: Paul I have: "British Railways (Western Operating Area) Marshalling Instructions for Inter District Freight Trains, Section A, For trains starting from stations in the London District" circa 1951. I suspect this might be what you have from Brian McDermott though? Also GWR versions for 1936, 1939 and 1946. Nick, What I have from Brian is "British Railways (Western Operating Area) Marshaling instructions for Principal Local Freight Trains -London District" for 1956. it is subtitled :- Formations of Feeding and certain connecting services to the inter district freight trains shewn in Marshalling Instructions Sections A,B,C, and D. So your 1951 item is another piece in the puzzle! I would appreciate a copy or if you have it electronically a file of it. So may I PM you, and we can sort out the mechanics of this? Many thanks Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Gough Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 42 minutes ago, Tallpaul69 said: Nick, What I have from Brian is "British Railways (Western Operating Area) Marshaling instructions for Principal Local Freight Trains -London District" for 1956. it is subtitled :- Formations of Feeding and certain connecting services to the inter district freight trains shewn in Marshalling Instructions Sections A,B,C, and D. So your 1951 item is another piece in the puzzle! I would appreciate a copy or if you have it electronically a file of it. So may I PM you, and we can sort out the mechanics of this? Many thanks Paul PDF e-mailed to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 20, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2020 11 hours ago, Tallpaul69 said: Nick, What I have from Brian is "British Railways (Western Operating Area) Marshaling instructions for Principal Local Freight Trains -London District" for 1956. it is subtitled :- Formations of Feeding and certain connecting services to the inter district freight trains shewn in Marshalling Instructions Sections A,B,C, and D. So your 1951 item is another piece in the puzzle! I would appreciate a copy or if you have it electronically a file of it. So may I PM you, and we can sort out the mechanics of this? Many thanks Paul The thing about the Inter-District Marshalling Books is that you need all of them because they were arranged on the basis of the District in which trains started (in some cases several Divisions/Districts were covered in one publication). Section A covered trains starting in the London Division/District plus London and Northern (via Didcot) trains starting from Swindon. Section B covered trains starting in the Plymouth, Exeter, and Bristol Divisions/Districts except those starting from Swindon which were covered in Section A. I don't know the detail of the areas covered by Sections C & D. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallpaul69 Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 10 hours ago, The Stationmaster said: The thing about the Inter-District Marshalling Books is that you need all of them because they were arranged on the basis of the District in which trains started (in some cases several Divisions/Districts were covered in one publication). Section A covered trains starting in the London Division/District plus London and Northern (via Didcot) trains starting from Swindon. Section B covered trains starting in the Plymouth, Exeter, and Bristol Divisions/Districts except those starting from Swindon which were covered in Section A. I don't know the detail of the areas covered by Sections C & D. Agreed Mike, I suspect, but don't know that section C might have covered "Wales" and section D "The Midlands , Birkenhead etc"? Thinking about it, my suggestion above for section D covers a wide area, but there only appears to be the four sections! It will take me a while to extract relevant details from the two documents I have and then relate it to my WTT, so I will hope that eventually I get hold of the remaining three sections! Cheers All, Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 20, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Tallpaul69 said: Agreed Mike, I suspect, but don't know that section C might have covered "Wales" and section D "The Midlands , Birkenhead etc"? Thinking about it, my suggestion above for section D covers a wide area, but there only appears to be the four sections! It will take me a while to extract relevant details from the two documents I have and then relate it to my WTT, so I will hope that eventually I get hold of the remaining three sections! Cheers All, Paul As far as I know Paul there were just the 4 Sections one covering probably Gloucester and South Wales and the other covering 'Northern' plus possibly North Wales (just where Mid Wales landed is a moot point!!). If anybody has access to any of them I'd love to here more about the areas they cover. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Banger Blue Posted March 25, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 25, 2020 Although it’s 1966, is this the sort of thing you are looking for? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallpaul69 Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 On 25/03/2020 at 01:39, Banger Blue said: Although it’s 1966, is this the sort of thing you are looking for? Yes Dougie, that looks to be a later version of the books that I have seen. What area of the western region does this cover? Early versions were split into four sections (A-D) plus other versions for local freights with in the four sections. You need all four sections for a complete picture because Section A covers trains starting in the London Division and out as far as Swindon and Oxford, but not for instance the trains starting at Penzance for the London area for which you need section B Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2020 4 hours ago, Tallpaul69 said: Yes Dougie, that looks to be a later version of the books that I have seen. What area of the western region does this cover? Early versions were split into four sections (A-D) plus other versions for local freights with in the four sections. You need all four sections for a complete picture because Section A covers trains starting in the London Division and out as far as Swindon and Oxford, but not for instance the trains starting at Penzance for the London area for which you need section B Cheers Paul That's the whole Region but it will exclude local trips unless they were important connections into/out of longer distance trains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallpaul69 Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 17 hours ago, The Stationmaster said: That's the whole Region but it will exclude local trips unless they were important connections into/out of longer distance trains. Hi, Do you have the document electronically, or are you able to copy it? I would be interested in getting a copy? Please PM me on this? Many thanks Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallpaul69 Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 Just now, Tallpaul69 said: Hi, Do you have the document electronically, or are you able to copy it? I would be interested in getting a copy? Please PM me on this? Many thanks Paul Sorry Mike, I should have directed this to Dougie!! Regards Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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