RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 11, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) Havent seen anything on here about conversion of a Dapol Class 22 to the late production series so thought I'd start a thread on a current project. Am aware others have similar thoughts, had been hoping Dapol would oblige but that has been kicked in to touch. There is much to do on the front ends and that is where initial focus will be. Starting point was a headcode GSYP loco - a complete respray is required as the intention is to produce D6336 and D6342, both in BFYE. 30 mins in Superstrip - https://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk/products/125pq18 - got me to a bare shell... Hoping to be back to work in a few weeks so time is limited.... Edited March 11, 2020 by Phil Bullock Photos added 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris M Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 At the moment it looks like its been through the Laira washing plant once too often . 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 11, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Chris M said: At the moment it looks like its been through the Laira washing plant once too often . Definitely! Might look a bit better when finished...but not much!!!! https://www.flickr.com/photos/59835095@N02/6260769900/in/photolist-256Bvtg-gkFj87-22JC3Fv-axf5LC-cqqLJj-c6tWD7-ruo7Ja-Y3vqp8-gkFjE9-yzPrVY-RxxQDR-udHbG9-nXeTuC-PDtzkW-TFpGS3-THaAUs Good job folks like Brush Veteran were around to take cracking photos.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted March 11, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Phil Bullock said: Definitely! Might look a bit better when finished...but not much!!!! https://www.flickr.com/photos/59835095@N02/6260769900/in/photolist-256Bvtg-gkFj87-22JC3Fv-axf5LC-cqqLJj-c6tWD7-ruo7Ja-Y3vqp8-gkFjE9-yzPrVY-RxxQDR-udHbG9-nXeTuC-PDtzkW-TFpGS3-THaAUs Good job folks like Brush Veteran were around to take cracking photos.... Dear Lord Bullock of Abbotswood, I believe that you and I were of an age to have been around in the "good old days" but things were not that good when it came to us youngsters and cameras. If we had one it was something like a 127 Brownie and we were limited to a couple of films a year, of which 50% of the photos had to be of our visiting grand parents, and other family members and another 25% didn't come out right. Which on a 12 picture film resulted in 3 photos, if you were lucky. Try telling the kids of today. 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 11, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Clive Mortimore said: Dear Lord Bullock of Abbotswood, I believe that you and I were of an age to have been around in the "good old days" but things were not that good when it came to us youngsters and cameras. If we had one it was something like a 127 Brownie and we were limited to a couple of films a year, of which 50% of the photos had to be of our visiting grand parents, and other family members and another 25% didn't come out right. Which on a 12 picture film resulted in 3 photos, if you were lucky. Try telling the kids of today. Started off with one of those Clive - got a couple of shots of Sulzer Type 2s at Aberystwyth with it but when it came to Deltics at speed at Great Wymondley or even traffic at Abbotswood it met its limitations! Was thinking of you earlier - had to get the plasticard out when relocating headcode boxes ..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 11, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 11, 2020 Clive, the new Juan Sheet! Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted March 11, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Clive, the new Juan Sheet! Mike. Who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 12, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) So what needs doing on the front ends? Well, thanks to @BrushVeteran for the use of his superb photos back in the day we can see whats needed... 1. Doors. The later batch did away with the bifold arrangement and had two solid doors. Hoping that with careful use of filler and file I can preserve the original moulded outline and dividing line. 2. Top handrails. Horizontal on early batch - angled on later batch. Remove and replace.... 3. Headcode boxes. This is the piggy job! On the model they need to be about 1mm lower - there has to be room for an OHLE flash above them at their outer limit and on the model as it stands there just aint room. Cut around, file subsequent aperture lower and refit. One done, 3 to go! And still got all 10 digits... 4. Lamp irons. Lower ones are in a different location - and a different pattern! Also add top one on doors... 5. Blanking plates - remove and replace 6. Lower handrails - easiest job of the lot! They dont exist on the later batch so just for removal... So plenty to do.... Edited March 12, 2020 by Phil Bullock CLarity 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 That's a really fascinating comparison Phil. The 1mm to which you refer, 3 inches on the real thing, isn't that much. Looking at the pictures and the position of the top of the headcode box relative to the cab door handle reinforces this, not much at all. Before you go and do some more, is there a possibility that the position varies by loco, in other words a bit slapdash by NB Loco? May your digits remain intact! John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 13, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) Hi John Did contemplate not moving the boxes for that tiny amount - but you cant get the OHLE flash in if you dont , and that is characteristic! The original batch built with disc headcodes and retro fitted boxes certainly varied - but it looks as if this later batch was much more consistent. Work so far - relocating the boxes has distorted them, need to sort that out....its the cutting out, requires a lot of pressure to get through the body. A quick coat of primer shows the flaws.... Better get the filler out! Edited March 13, 2020 by Phil Bullock Photos added 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 13, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 13, 2020 On 11/03/2020 at 23:59, Clive Mortimore said: Who? Its the new government rules on bog roll usage in the face of current Corona virus fuelled panic buying Clive.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted March 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 13, 2020 36 minutes ago, Phil Bullock said: Its the new government rules on bog roll usage in the face of current Corona virus fuelled panic buying Clive.... Did you see the new method of after toilet hygiene I posted on faceache yesterday? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 13, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 13, 2020 Ha ha that'll do it! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pteremy Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Really informative thread Phil. Looking at some GSYP examples it looks as if the far corner of the OHLE flashes did, very very slightly, overlap the nose curve. So even with lower head code boxes it was a tight fit. As an alternative to moving the head code boxes did you consider whether slightly underscale OHLE flashes might work - e.g. HO rather than OO? If such things exist? Or whether transfers from different sources might be different sizes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 14, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 14, 2020 Cheers - and absolutely we did, great minds think alike! And you are right, they are different sizes from different sources but I was told in no uncertain terms that it wouldnt look right if we didnt use Fox OHLE flashes which are the correct dimensions...... So to get round the headcode box distortion have tried fitting Shawplan Class 40 headcode box frames on top of them, a bit over size though but might work with a bit of filing.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Hello Phil, A very interesting project, have you completed it yet or did work get in the way! Cheers, John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted June 19, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2020 39 minutes ago, Allegheny1600 said: Hello Phil, A very interesting project, have you completed it yet or did work get in the way! Cheers, John. Hi john D6336 has gone to paint shop D6342 on the way as well. Should have restarted work on Monday but rushed in to A&E Sunday with a renal stone - painful! So have to see where we go from here. Sorry for delay - normal service will be resumed as soon as possible! Phil 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 19, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2020 Will you be grinding it down for ballast Phil?!! Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rab Posted June 19, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19, 2020 40 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Will you be grinding it down for ballast Phil?!! Mike. You could use it as a wagonload if its within gauge 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Thanks for the response, Phil! The A&E trip sounds most unpleasant, I winced. Hope all is well now. Cheers, John. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 11 hours ago, Phil Bullock said: Hi john D6336 has gone to paint shop D6342 on the way as well. Should have restarted work on Monday but rushed in to A&E Sunday with a renal stone - painful! So have to see where we go from here. Sorry for delay - normal service will be resumed as soon as possible! Phil I can sympathise, Phil, having passed several myself over the years. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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