DavidB-AU Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 The Mayor of Cambridgeshire and Peterborough welcomed the announcement by chancellor of the exchequer Rushi Sunak that Cambridge South station will be completed by 2025 - five years ahead of the original schedule. https://www.elystandard.co.uk/news/cambridge-south-new-rail-station-funding-agreed-1-6557248 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Fen End Pit Posted March 11, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 11, 2020 Have 'they' explained how they are going to stop trains at a Cambridge south station without reducing the number of trains running between Cambridge and Shepreth Branch junction? It seems to me that unless you increase the number of tracks then you have a allow for trains to stop on the mainline and this would have a knock on effect of decreasing the number of paths. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Fen End Pit said: Have 'they' explained how they are going to stop trains at a Cambridge south station without reducing the number of trains running between Cambridge and Shepreth Branch junction? It seems to me that unless you increase the number of tracks then you have a allow for trains to stop on the mainline and this would have a knock on effect of decreasing the number of paths. Cambridge South will have 4 platforms. https://consultations.networkrail.co.uk/communications/cambridge-south/ "Due to the surrounding rail network being at capacity, the current proposal is to provide additional railway lines required to serve all of the platforms. This would include expanding the current two and three track sections to four tracks north and south of the new station." https://consultations.networkrail.co.uk/communications/cambridge-south/supporting_documents/Cambridge South Station Round One Stakeholder Information Pack.pdf Includes replacement of the A1134 and guided busway bridges. Addenbrooke's Rd bridge was built with provision for 4 tracks. Cheers David Edited March 12, 2020 by DavidB-AU 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted March 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 12, 2020 Has anyone told Network Rail? Jonathan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Given that both those links are to the NR website, you'd assume so. 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 It’s excellent news and long overdue. South station will also serve Addenbrookes, the specialist regional hospital for huge numbers of people who currently either have to drive or, after arriving at Cambridge (central), need a tiresome bus/taxi journey. Paul 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinT Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 The recently announced preferred route of the new line to Bedford looks as though it will use Cambridge South. See: https://eastwestrail.co.uk/the-project/central-section Martin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 I think some form of grade separation is also intended for Shepreth Branch Junction, though it's difficult to see how that might work as space is limited and there is housing nearby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 If the trackbed can be 4 tracks wide from the junction, there's no reason why the flyover would need to be at the junction. It could easily be in the farmland between the new station and the divergence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 9 hours ago, Fenman said: It’s excellent news and long overdue. South station will also serve Addenbrookes, the specialist regional hospital for huge numbers of people who currently either have to drive or, after arriving at Cambridge (central), need a tiresome bus/taxi journey. Paul You forgot the wonderful (!) Misguided Busway which connects Cambridge station and Addenbrookes. Stewart 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 hour ago, stewartingram said: You forgot the wonderful (!) Misguided Busway which connects Cambridge station and Addenbrookes. Stewart So does everyone else... Paul 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Zomboid said: If the trackbed can be 4 tracks wide from the junction, there's no reason why the flyover would need to be at the junction. It could easily be in the farmland between the new station and the divergence. That's possible, although grade separation takes up much less length and land (and probably costs less) if it can take advantage of the angle of the junction rather than curving out from parallel, across and back to parallel again. I'm not sure if there is enough distance between the junction and the next bridge to the north. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 The flyover at Wimbledon to achieve exactly what would be needed here is pretty short, and doesn't require the trackbed to get noticeably wider than the 4 tracks either side. The Acton diveunder is over pretty quickly too. It wouldn't be exactly the same, but I'd be astonished if there wasn't space for something along those lines between the new station and the junction. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 If four tracks can extend from Cambridge (main) station right to Shepreth Branch Jc, would there be a need for grade separation at all ? For trains terminating at Cambridge, those from the GN could use the western pair of lines, and the west bays at Cambridge, those from the GE could use the eastern pair and the 'new' island. The only conflict would involve those trains which continue through Cambridge. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted March 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, caradoc said: If four tracks can extend from Cambridge (main) station right to Shepreth Branch Jc, would there be a need for grade separation at all ? For trains terminating at Cambridge, those from the GN could use the western pair of lines, and the west bays at Cambridge, those from the GE could use the eastern pair and the 'new' island. The only conflict would involve those trains which continue through Cambridge. Indeed. And grade separation is of most benefit at high speed locations. With all trains stopping at Cambridge, benefits of grade separation would probably not be worth the cost involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trog Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 I thought you already needed top grades to get into Cambridge. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arun Sharma Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Where is this new station in relation to the lines coming in from the rebuilt E-W Railway? Would you have to go into the present Cambridge Central, change trains and come back out south again? Apologies for putting a question in here but it seems relevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 8 hours ago, Trog said: I thought you already needed top grades to get into Cambridge. No, that's Oxford, not the 'other place' ! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 5 hours ago, Arun Sharma said: Where is this new station in relation to the lines coming in from the rebuilt E-W Railway? Would you have to go into the present Cambridge Central, change trains and come back out south again? Apologies for putting a question in here but it seems relevant. The precise route hasn't been decided yet, but it seems that trains from EWR would join the existing line somewhere south or west of this new station, so would be able to call there. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Joseph_Pestell said: Indeed. And grade separation is of most benefit at high speed locations. With all trains stopping at Cambridge, benefits of grade separation would probably not be worth the cost involved. That's probably the answer. EWR would probably approach Cambridge via the Royston line although the extent of the preferred route does allow the possibility of joining the Stortford line instead. Each route has a significant number of trains terminating at Cambridge (although some do go through to the new Cambridge North station) so any conflicts could most likely be sorted out north of Cambridge. Edited March 14, 2020 by Edwin_m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 has work started on this station? ive not been that way recently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stivesnick Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 The next stage of the process is to develop the plans for the station based on the consultation responses from a few months back. More details of the station expected in the next few months. Construction not likely to start for a year or so. Nick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 Not that I know of, though I've not needed to visit Addenbrookes since they relaxed the Covid rules banning patients from having visitors! There still seems to be new housing under construction in the general area. They still haven't set the exact route by which the EWR will join the Shepreth branch. The relocated Papworth hospital is slightly closer to the planned new station than Addenbrookes is. EWR trains can be expected to call at the new station, and I think the same will be true for the misguided busway. Perhaps of greater interest is what won't call there - for example the Kings Cross - Cambridge "flyers"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Michael Hodgson said: ... Perhaps of greater interest is what won't call there - for example the Kings Cross - Cambridge "flyers"? The last list I saw, while making it clear the service pattern wasn’t finalised, showed both Cambridge flyers and Thameslink services calling at the new station. Has that changed? Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 Probably not. Even if it has changed, there's nowt to say it will stay that way! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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