meatloaf Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Ive decided im going to modify my points and add frog switching for maximum reliability. The medium and large radius points have an exposed rail and stock rail on the underside where they can be bonded together. The small radius are different - see pic. Do I need to cut away the plastic sleepers and if so where would you recommend doing it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Suggest solder the necessary wires to the outside of the rail where needed rather than potentially weakening the framework of the point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatloaf Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 ive got a load of the Hornby point clips, I was thinking of using those after cutting them little wire links? bad idea? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted March 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 13, 2020 42 minutes ago, Butler Henderson said: Suggest solder the necessary wires to the outside of the rail where needed rather than potentially weakening the framework of the point. I would not worry about that. After all the medium and large radius turnouts come with the webbing already cut for you. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLT 0109 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 I found point clips to be a pestilential nuisance. If they don't get gunged up and fail to work, they weaken and fail to make contact or they move and cause a derailment. Either leave them alone or "bond and snip"! Harold. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14, 2020 Is it possible to put to bed the "modification for DCC" title? It is a modification for better switching reliability - regardless of DCC or DC/analog. Cheers, MIck 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14, 2020 21 hours ago, RFS said: I would not worry about that. After all the medium and large radius turnouts come with the webbing already cut for you. If in doubt, stagger the sleeper cuts from one side of the point to the other. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbyhorse Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Very simple mods, with very reliable running. Simon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, hobbyhorse said: Very simple mods, with very reliable running. Simon I would go a stage further with those connections. Instead of just bonding the rails together, why not connect them directly to the bus? It doesn't seem any more difficult to me. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Pete the Elaner said: I would go a stage further with those connections. Instead of just bonding the rails together, why not connect them directly to the bus? It doesn't seem any more difficult to me. Ans also put a small dab of epoxy resin adhesive in the gap. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbyhorse Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Pete the Elaner said: I would go a stage further with those connections. Instead of just bonding the rails together, why not connect them directly to the bus? It doesn't seem any more difficult to me. Cuts down on the amount of wires to the bus. Although at times it sometimes gets out of hand with two wires to each section of rail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham108 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 On 17/03/2020 at 07:15, hobbyhorse said: Very simple mods, with very reliable running. Simon Sorry first ever post on this forum so please accept my gratitude for all I've learnt over the years. I've been confused by electrofrog points for years but just when I thought I understood them, and knew what to do with frog polarity etc, I came across this posting which has baffled me again. It looks like you have connected the stock rails directly to your power feeds (picture 3), then connected the stock rails to the outer rails (picture 1), then cut the stock rails to prevent shorting (picture 2). Correct? If so then doesn't this mean there is no power going to the frog at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Baron Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 All of this makes me wonder when we will shift over to the loco's being re-chargeable with the power source internal to the chassis. Dare I say it - just like the real thing? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbyhorse Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Welcome to posting. The frog does have a separately feed via the point motor. The reason why the switch blade have a power feed is it's only relies on two bent down tabs to transfer the power. The outside rails also have power feed, it's very much belt and braces but over the years this system has worked faultlessly. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 44 minutes ago, Red Baron said: All of this makes me wonder when we will shift over to the loco's being re-chargeable with the power source internal to the chassis. Dare I say it - just like the real thing? A battery RC model railway system is available now, but they use bulky batteries which do not last very long. This makes it far more practical easier to provide power via rails/wires. Dare I say it - just like the real thing? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Baron Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Pete the Elaner said: A battery RC model railway system is available now, but they use bulky batteries which do not last very long. This makes it far more practical easier to provide power via rails/wires. Dare I say it - just like the real thing? Not sure the real thing provides power via the running rails.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, Red Baron said: Not sure the real thing provides power via the running rails.... Like it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham108 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 6 hours ago, Red Baron said: Not sure the real thing provides power via the running rails.... Of course it does - how about the London Underground, plus all the EMU's using the 3rd rail principle! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveArkley Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 4 hours ago, bartram108 said: Of course it does - how about the London Underground, plus all the EMU's using the 3rd rail principle! <pedant mode> That's a third rail, not the running rails </pedant mode> 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Baron Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 16 hours ago, bartram108 said: Of course it does - how about the London Underground, plus all the EMU's using the 3rd rail principle! I don't think you are grasping the wheel to steel interface aspect of running rails. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crosland Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 On 17/03/2020 at 08:32, Pete the Elaner said: I would go a stage further with those connections. Instead of just bonding the rails together, why not connect them directly to the bus? It doesn't seem any more difficult to me. On 17/03/2020 at 11:28, hobbyhorse said: Cuts down on the amount of wires to the bus. Although at times it sometimes gets out of hand with two wires to each section of rail. Just extend the dropper from the bus to bond the rails. Only one wire per rail. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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