RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted March 16, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2020 Not bad, by which I mean hideous! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted March 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 hours ago, swampy said: How about the Camden and Amboy 6-2-0. Remember, the picture is just that, a picture. However, the Taff Vale had some 4-2-0 locomotives from America. That must have been.... Err.... Interesting... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Algerian Garratt of the 1930s: https://www.flickr.com/photos/27862259@N02/7810806338 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Norfolk and Western M2 class modified as 'Automatic Switcher', known colloquially as 'The Whale': https://bodwyn.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/norfolk-western-experimental-m2-1100-1009091.jpg?w=499&h=202&zoom=2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, pH said: Algerian Garratt of the 1930s: https://www.flickr.com/photos/27862259@N02/7810806338 I quite like that one ! John Isherwood. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted March 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, pH said: Algerian Garratt of the 1930s: https://www.flickr.com/photos/27862259@N02/7810806338 Not quite sure, but I think this was the first steam locomotive to have electrically-driven valve gear. Edit: The Algerian Garretts were very unfortunate, being in the wrong network, at the wrong time. Quite a handsome locomotive; with Cossard gear, and the electrically driven reverser. Not as I said earlier, with electrical valve gear. There is a bit of history on the class on Google; check it out. Edited March 16, 2020 by tomparryharry More information. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) On 16/03/2020 at 16:45, tomparryharry said: Remember, the picture is just that, a picture. However, the Taff Vale had some 4-2-0 locomotives from America. That must have been.... Err.... Interesting... The Camden and Amboy 6-2-0 does look odd, at least in the artist's impression, but it was inspired by the L&NWR's "Liverpool" which looks fairly normal for its time. I suspect the artist's impression is some way from the truth not least because the Camden & Amboy loco was designed to run on anthracite rather than the then more commonly used wood so probably wouldn't have needed a spark arresting chimney, CORRECTION/UPDATE The artist's impression was based on a photograph of the loco so is horribly true. QV later post and images Were the Taff Vale's 4-2-0s any stranger than the many other Cramptons with that wheel arranrgement? Though patented by Thomas Crampton in Britain they became most popular in France where they were built under licence by Cail. I certainly wouldn't characterise any of them as "worst looking". The Cail Cramptons were notably fast for their time at up to 120km/h (75MPH) with the large single driving wheel behind the boiler allowing for a larger boiler and a low centre of gravity. They became so common as express locos in France, particularly on Est, that the phrase Prenez le Crampton meant "take the (express) train" long after the last of them had been replaced by locos with coupled drivers. Edited March 17, 2020 by Pacific231G update 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, Tony Cane said: This early cab forward must be a good contender. Not just 'This early', but 'The first'! Known on the railroad - the North Pacific Coast, a narrow-gauge line in California - as "The Freak". Funny to think it was the forerunner of things like this - a Southern Pacific AC12, their last class of cab-forward: http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/sp4277s.jpg Edited March 16, 2020 by pH 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 5944 Posted March 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2020 Italian Gr 670. They actually produced 43 of them! Four cylinder compounds - 2 high pressure cylinders on one side, 2 low pressure cylinders on the other. Apparently they waddled quite a bit. As if that wasn't bonkers enough, one was fitted with a Franco-Crosti boiler. On the tender. At least they covered it up! 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted March 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, Pacific231G said: The Camden and Amboy 6-2-0 does look odd, at least in the artist's impression, but it was inspired by the L&NWR's "Liverpool" which looks fairly normal for its time. I suspect the artist's impression is some way from the truth not least because the Camden & Amboy loco was designed to run on anthracite rather than the then more commonly used wood so probably wouldn't have needed a spark arresting chimney, Were the Taff Vale's 4-2-0s any stranger than the many other Cramptons with that wheel arranrgement? Though patented by Thomas Crampton in Britain they became most popular in France where they were built under licence by Cail. I certainly wouldn't characterise any of them as "worst looking". The Cal Cramptons were notably fast for their time at up to 120km/h (75MPH) with the large single driving wheel behind the boiler allowing for a larger boiler and a low centre of gravity. They became so common as express locos in France, particularly on Est, that the phrase Prenez le Crampton meant "take the (express) train" long after the last of them had been replaced by locos with coupled drivers. I'll need to check it out, but I'd suggest reading part 10 of the RCTS bible, where there are some notes on the subject. The Crampton is well respected for speed, but as a single driver locomotive, on a mineral railway must have been tough work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted March 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2020 How about the Chesapeake & Ohio M-1 Gas Turbine loco:- C&O M-1 Cheers Darius 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted March 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, 5944 said: Italian Gr 670. They actually produced 43 of them! Four cylinder compounds - 2 high pressure cylinders on one side, 2 low pressure cylinders on the other. Apparently they waddled quite a bit. As if that wasn't bonkers enough, one was fitted with a Franco-Crosti boiler. On the tender. At least they covered it up! That's interesting. We were only discussing imaginary locomotives the other day! Imaginary? I think not... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Darius43 said: How about the Chesapeake & Ohio M-1 Gas Turbine loco:- C&O M-1 Cheers Darius That's not too bad imho, much uglier was the Norfolk & Western version, now that was not pretty at all. within these shores, I nominate the truly hideous diesel shunter by I think, Rolls Royce that has been featured in one of the industrial topics on here. Somebody was smoking something when that thing was designed. Found it! Edited March 16, 2020 by Allegheny1600 Added link 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Can I nominate whatever that is in Allegheny1600s avatar? Jason 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Thanks, Jason! The machine in my avatar is a West German (DB) class VT08.5 DMU in a fictitious Lufthansa livery, It's nickname translates as "Egghead". I really like it personally but I'm weird!!! 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted March 16, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2020 40 minutes ago, Allegheny1600 said: That's not too bad imho, much uglier was the Norfolk & Western version, now that was not pretty at all. within these shores, I nominate the truly hideous diesel shunter by I think, Rolls Royce that has been featured in one of the industrial topics on here. Somebody was smoking something when that thing was designed. Found it! I don’t think you can say that whatever that is has been designed, more thrown together (or thown at!). It’s fitted with vacuum brakes for passenger work, which adds a layer of weirdness to it. Got character, though, crying out to be modelled... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Darius43 said: How about the Chesapeake & Ohio M-1 Gas Turbine loco:- C&O M-1 Cheers Darius Inspired, in my view. It could find a place in a Star Trek episode, on a planet largely comprised of coal! Regards, John Isherwood. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted March 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, cctransuk said: Inspired, in my view. It could find a place in a Star Trek episode, on a planet largely comprised of coal! Regards, John Isherwood. If largely comprised of coal, they wouldn't need such a beast, as supplies would be close at hand! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, kevinlms said: If largely comprised of coal, they wouldn't need such a beast, as supplies would be close at hand! Nit-picker !! It's a locomotive, Jim - but not as we know it. The turbine loco would be used to haul coal from further afield to the intergalactic export base, once supplies in the immediate vicinity of the base itself were exhausted. It is well known that the worst job on a Warp Factor 56 coal hauler ship is that of the stoker - average shift endurance 15 seconds. These coal hauler ships carry water in their bunkers on the return voyage, as the planet in question has no native water and the turbine locos need water for their boilers - despite having condensers. Regards, John Isherwood. Edited March 16, 2020 by cctransuk 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, tomparryharry said: I'll need to check it out, but I'd suggest reading part 10 of the RCTS bible, where there are some notes on the subject. The Crampton is well respected for speed, but as a single driver locomotive, on a mineral railway must have been tough work. There's a "film" of the Camden and Aboy loco here https://youtu.be/qcgd0OQUTBc?t=136 I have now found three photograph of this beast and must apologise to the shade of the 19th Century artist who drew it. It really did look like that (and in fact was obviously coped from this photograph Thie above is claimed to be the oldest photograph of an American locomotive though another image, a daguerreotype perhaps?, actually looks older Clearly te driver and fireman didn't have to be on speaking terms as they occupied totally separate places of work. Note in this third photo the brakeman's hutch in the back of what looks like a combined tender and caboose. The wooden infilling between the spokes of the driver was apparently common practice for the flywheels of mill engines in Britain at that time though never adopted here for locomotives. It's curious that these locos are so odd looking because the Norris brothers buit other Cramptons that don't look like they were designed by W. Heath Robinson after a heavy night in the pub . The 6-2-0s didn't fare well on the C&A https://www.steamlocomotive.com/locobase.php?country=USA&wheel=6-2-0&railroad=ca Apparently the track wasn't up to the speeds they were capable of so all eight of them were converted to 4-4-0 "Americans" and in the form survived into the 1860s. Edited March 16, 2020 by Pacific231G 7 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KeithMacdonald Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Pacific231G said: Note in this third photo the brakeman's hutch in the back of what looks like a combined tender and caboose. The wooden infilling between the spokes of the driver was apparently common practice for the flywheels of mill engines in Britain at that time though never adopted here for locomotives. It's curious that these locos are so odd looking because the Norris brothers buit other Cramptons that don't look like they were designed by W. Heath Robinson after a heavy night in the pub . The 6-2-0s didn't fare well on the C&A https://www.steamlocomotive.com/locobase.php?country=USA&wheel=6-2-0&railroad=ca Apparently the track wasn't up to the speeds they were capable of so all eight of them were converted to 4-4-0 "Americans" and in the form survived into the 1860s. It looks like they just couldn't help themselves and modelled it on a US Stagecoach? With one big wheel at the back, and the driver sitting high up. Ref/ (C) https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/332210909987210259/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 I'm going to offend a few people and say the NBL Type 2. It looks like the nose fell off and reminds me of an aircraft in the boneyard with the radome missing. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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