RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted May 28, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2020 Pure pedantry. If you cannot see perfection, I cannot explain further... (this is intended to be read as a tongue in cheek comment, I’m not trying to start WW3). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whart57 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, The Johnster said: (this is intended to be read as a tongue in cheek comment, I’m not trying to start WW3). That's all right, so was mine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted May 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 hours ago, The Johnster said: Bulleid’s pacifics were particularly advanced, with soft blue electrically backlit gauges and dials to preserve the drivers’ night vision. Deep red preserves night vision, not Blue. I suspect Blue was chosen as it was not (then) used by any Signal aspects. (Not sure about hand lamps though...) Kev. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted May 28, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2020 AFAIK nobody was using blue handlamps. I don’t think anyone knew deep red was best in those days, and I’m sure I remember someone telling me it had been used by the RAF during the war. You could argue ther was no point when every timr the fireman put a round on the glare effectively blinded both men for several minutes for signal sighting purposes. IIRC the diesels I worked on in the70s were all white but dimly backlit dials with white numbers on a black background, made by Smith’s. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted May 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2020 Good point about the glare from the fire. Kev. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepidotos Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 I've seen something truly awful Imagine having a whole runway for a nose 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted May 29, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 29, 2020 16 hours ago, The Johnster said: AFAIK nobody was using blue handlamps. I don’t think anyone knew deep red was best in those days, and I’m sure I remember someone telling me it had been used by the RAF during the war. You could argue ther was no point when every timr the fireman put a round on the glare effectively blinded both men for several minutes for signal sighting purposes. IIRC the diesels I worked on in the70s were all white but dimly backlit dials with white numbers on a black background, made by Smith’s. I have an oil pressure gauge that came out of an aircraft (a Spitfire I was told, yeah right!). It has no lighting of its own, but has circumferential slots for bulbs mounted next to the gauge to light the face. The plastic in the slots is blue. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 4 hours ago, lepidotos said: I've seen something truly awful Imagine having a whole runway for a nose It needs a nose like that when going half the speed of sound. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted May 29, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 29, 2020 2 hours ago, DavidB-AU said: It needs a nose like that when going half the speed of sound. "And your shoe, slips in here......" 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted May 29, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 29, 2020 7 hours ago, rodent279 said: I have an oil pressure gauge that came out of an aircraft (a Spitfire I was told, yeah right!). It has no lighting of its own, but has circumferential slots for bulbs mounted next to the gauge to light the face. The plastic in the slots is blue. When I visited Lincoln, about 15 years ago, there were loads of secondhand/junk/antiques shops that were selling bits of old bombers, war surplus from the many airfields in the area I suppose. Plenty of stuff claiming to come from Lancasters, Halifaxes, Stirlings, and B17s; probably the pickings of stores rather than from actual a/c. Sadly, a lot ended up on the ground or the sea bed between there and Germany... There were dials and guages control panels, switches, even seats; you could probably have been able to make a fair repro of a cockpit if you'd enough money and the will to stick at it. The one thing I didn't see was bomb sights, probably not sold off if they were still on the secret list in the late 40s, and with high grade optics. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 East German HR 45. A high pressure design that didn't work based on the conventional pre-War German DRG 45 that did. Condensation and coal dust tender. The smoke chamber had an induced draft system with blower and drive turbine Model by Trix 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
88D Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 On 08/04/2020 at 10:22, SHMD said: We have a winner - - in the "For shear shock value" category! That is truly the awfulest thing on rails I have seen. Kev. Looks like a proboscis monkey! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
88D Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 hour ago, The Johnster said: When I visited Lincoln, about 15 years ago, there were loads of secondhand/junk/antiques shops that were selling bits of old bombers, war surplus from the many airfields in the area I suppose. Plenty of stuff claiming to come from Lancasters, Halifaxes, Stirlings, and B17s; probably the pickings of stores rather than from actual a/c. Sadly, a lot ended up on the ground or the sea bed between there and Germany... There were dials and guages control panels, switches, even seats; you could probably have been able to make a fair repro of a cockpit if you'd enough money and the will to stick at it. The one thing I didn't see was bomb sights, probably not sold off if they were still on the secret list in the late 40s, and with high grade optics. There’s still one shop on Castle Hill selling the stuff. You’d know where it is it by spotting the crowd of men window watchers. Cheap too! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 42 minutes ago, maico said: East German HR 45. A high pressure design that didn't work based on the conventional pre-War German DRG 45 that did. Condensation and coal dust tender. The smoke chamber had an induced draft system with blower and drive turbine Model by Trix The loco end is reminiscent of a steam EE Type 1..... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PJT Posted May 29, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, 88D said: There’s still one shop on Castle Hill selling the stuff. You’d know where it is it by spotting the crowd of men window watchers. Cheap too! I was just about to say that! Always worth a few minutes' browse when we visit Lincoln, much to the chagrin of Pam when she's trying to get us to the top of the hill for the farmer's market, or something (slightly) less interesting like that. Pete T. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PJT Posted May 29, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2020 8 hours ago, rodent279 said: I have an oil pressure gauge that came out of an aircraft (a Spitfire I was told, yeah right!). It has no lighting of its own, but has circumferential slots for bulbs mounted next to the gauge to light the face. Most Smiths and Jaeger instruments and gauges were externally illuminated like that, prior to internal illumination taking over in the 1960s. Automotive illumination was usually unfiltered white light (on very rare occasions filtered pale green or pale orange), whereas aeronautical was usually blue filtered. Pete T. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whart57 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 15 hours ago, The Johnster said: Plenty of stuff claiming to come from Lancasters, Halifaxes, Stirlings, and B17s; probably the pickings of stores rather than from actual a/c. Sadly, a lot ended up on the ground or the sea bed between there and Germany... At the risk of being political. Seventy five years on we should really be remembering what they were going over to Germany to do. And most of those on the receiving end of their deliveries were just ordinary folk. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcm@gwr Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) And just to be balanced, there was a reciprocal arrangement with Junkers, Heinkels, Dorniers, Fokkers and Messerschmitts. They all should be remembered. Edited May 30, 2020 by jcm@gwr 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whart57 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Indeed, but no need to bristle so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) Another vote for the various Macleod turbines, and the Kitson Still aberration. They not only appear to be constructed of an assortment of mismatched components, but fail the important test of having no readily apparent logic to their construction, and most importantly that old chestnut about “if it looks right, it IS right”. The Belgian monstrosity with multiple wheelsets in a seemingly random combination qualifies for this, too. They WEREN’T right, failing in their intended function and finding no takers. Irish broad gauge locomotives can be a bit odd, at times. I suspect that this is partly because they tend to be slightly over-sized Standard-Gauge designs, rather than true broad-Gauge designs in the Indian or Argentine fashion, or the truly gigantic Russian style. Edited May 30, 2020 by rockershovel 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 21 hours ago, The Johnster said: When I visited Lincoln, about 15 years ago, there were loads of secondhand/junk/antiques shops that were selling bits of old bombers, war surplus from the many airfields in the area I suppose. Plenty of stuff claiming to come from Lancasters, Halifaxes, Stirlings, and B17s; probably the pickings of stores rather than from actual a/c. Sadly, a lot ended up on the ground or the sea bed between there and Germany... Stirlings and B17s? I didn't know they were dropping GNR and LNER locomotives over Germany. Jason 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted May 30, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 30, 2020 20 hours ago, Hroth said: The loco end is reminiscent of a steam EE Type 1..... I actually rather like it; a bit GT3... 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Vistisen Posted May 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 30, 2020 On 29/05/2020 at 13:55, DavidB-AU said: It needs a nose like that when going half the speed of sound. I quite like it, but if you think it is ugly, blink and it'll be gone 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepidotos Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 8 hours ago, Vistisen said: I quite like it, but if you think it is ugly, blink and it'll be gone I think I will, that's pretty good advice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 On 29/05/2020 at 19:02, Hroth said: The loco end is reminiscent of a steam EE Type 1..... I rather like it, but the apparently random variation in cross-section between main shell, cab and tender seems lacking in both aesthetic and aerodynamic consistency 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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