Geoff Endacott Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 3 hours ago, DutyDruid said: ...but an unincorporated club could well find itself with a very unexpected tax bill and the cost of fighting the appeal or funding the defence of an investigation... That is why I duly record the hours spent by volunteers running the exhibition. Accounting for these, even at the minimum wage, produces a number far greater than the surplus (not profit) from the exhibition. On that basis we never make a profit and therefore pay no tax. Of course, the suggestion further up this thread that paid stewards and other staff should be brought in, paid for by increasing the ticket price, would negate this exemption and may therefore have tax implications. (It does help that we have a committee member who is a retired tax inspector.) Geoff Endacott 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutyDruid Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 5 hours ago, DutyDruid said: wireless (WiFi) PDQ machines (card readers) 3 hours ago, woodenhead said: Do they still call them that? That's the name I know them by, but it was a good 7 or 8 years ago that I was involved with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutyDruid Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Geoff Endacott said: (It does help that we have a committee member who is a retired tax inspector.) That does tend to give you an edge Geoff... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted September 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) This new breaking announcement of no more than 6 in a social gathering will undoubtedly put a brake on anything possible in the short-term in England. See https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54081131 Given the idiotic behaviour we have seen (and this as a personal view) it is several weeks too late and should have had a no travel beyond x miles from home, perhaps 25 except for work and a few other exemptions, ban attached too. Edited September 8, 2020 by john new To make better sense. 2 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 11 hours ago, john new said: This new breaking announcement of no more than 6 in a social gathering will undoubtedly put a brake on anything possible in the short-term in England. See https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54081131 Given the idiotic behaviour we have seen (and this as a personal view) it is several weeks too late and should have had a no travel beyond x miles from home, perhaps 25 except for work and a few other exemptions, ban attached too. Agree on most. Exhibitions are not possible right now anyway. Maybe the latest restrictions will work to get thing back to 'normal' more quickly? That is what they are intended to do. It has proved there is no correct decision though. The below do not apply to everyone: Give the public some freedom to choose ... many make reckless decisions because they are 'doing what they are allowed to'. Create & apply more specific restrictions ... many claim these are difficult to understand & ignore them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 11 hours ago, john new said: This new breaking announcement of no more than 6 in a social gathering will undoubtedly put a brake on anything possible in the short-term in England. See https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54081131 Given the idiotic behaviour we have seen (and this as a personal view) it is several weeks too late and should have had a no travel beyond x miles from home, perhaps 25 except for work and a few other exemptions, ban attached too. Warner's Peterborough show hasn't been cancelled yet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, PenrithBeacon said: Warner's Peterborough show hasn't been cancelled yet Given the latest restrictions are aimed at stopping 20-30 year old from socialising (i.e. drinking, generally not socially distancing and mixing) in large groups and allowing the police to enforce it then a potential model railway exhibition in December isn't a target of the legislation. The Government would be shutting down the gyms, curtailing use of public transport again and also applying restrictions in the workplace if the risk was that great outside of the target group of this new order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted September 9, 2020 Author Moderators Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, PenrithBeacon said: Warner's Peterborough show hasn't been cancelled yet We are working through contacting trade and exhibitors at present. The timing of any decision and subsequent announcement has also involved staff futures and furloughing etc so has had to be treated with sensitivity. 1 4 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 11 hours ago, john new said: This new breaking announcement of no more than 6 in a social gathering will undoubtedly put a brake on anything possible in the short-term in England. See https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54081131 Given the idiotic behaviour we have seen (and this as a personal view) it is several weeks too late and should have had a no travel beyond x miles from home, perhaps 25 except for work and a few other exemptions, ban attached too. I believe the rot set in when the authorities failed to act immediately and VERY firmly to break up mass "protest" gatherings and to heavily punish everybody involved, several weeks ago. The "protests" (excuses to go out and vandalize public property or to generally be a nuisance for other political reasons) had nothing to do with any specific recent event in the UK in any case... Since then, certain people have been encouraged to form the impression that they can do as they like, with impunity. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted September 9, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, gr.king said: I believe the rot set in when the authorities failed to act immediately and VERY firmly to break up mass "protest" gatherings and to heavily punish everybody involved, several weeks ago. The "protests" (excuses to go out and vandalize public property or to generally be a nuisance for other political reasons) had nothing to do with any specific recent event in the UK in any case... Since then, certain people have been encouraged to form the impression that they can do as they like, with impunity. Those protests were actually not the one's I was thinking of but they do add into the general mix of "gung-ho", screw everyone else activity that is going on. More close to us is the stupidity of people who were visiting the beaches on mass etc., plus the music raves further up country. As I previously posted even the general activity in the shopping streets in the nearest town to us (Weymouth) leaves a lot to be desired regarding attempts to social distance. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, gr.king said: I believe the rot set in when the authorities failed to act immediately and VERY firmly to break up mass "protest" gatherings and to heavily punish everybody involved, several weeks ago. The "protests" (excuses to go out and vandalize public property or to generally be a nuisance for other political reasons) had nothing to do with any specific recent event in the UK in any case... Since then, certain people have been encouraged to form the impression that they can do as they like, with impunity. Given every similar mass protest in the past has seen police massively outnumbered, how would you expect the police to arrest everyone, identify them and then fine them? Then add in some of the understandable anger some of those people felt towards those in charge, think how it might have turned out. Also there was no noticeable spike two weeks after the protests. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 minute ago, john new said: Those protests were actually not the one's I was thinking of but they do add into the general mix of "gung-ho", screw everyone else activity that is going on. More close to us is the stupidity of people who were visiting the beaches on mass etc., plus the music raves further up country. As I previously posted even the general activity in the shopping streets in the nearest town to us (Weymouth) leaves a lot to be desired regarding attempts to social distance. It is the drinking culture that is trying to be curbed - though I might then say 'Good luck with that' 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted September 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2020 10 hours ago, gr.king said: I believe the rot set in when the authorities failed to act immediately and VERY firmly to break up mass "protest" gatherings and to heavily punish everybody involved, several weeks ago. The "protests" (excuses to go out and vandalize public property or to generally be a nuisance for other political reasons) had nothing to do with any specific recent event in the UK in any case... Since then, certain people have been encouraged to form the impression that they can do as they like, with impunity. While not disagreeing in principle, do you not think that bad examples set by politicians (some senior) and No. 10 senior advisors prior to that may have set off the the I can do what I want with impunity reaction because "they do it"? 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Roger Sunderland Posted September 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2020 No I think that’s just an excuse to behave selfishly. After all politicians are hardly role models these days . It’s more footballers and pop stars and they have behaved impeccably through all this haven’t they??? (Not) 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapford34102 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 The light at the end of the tunnel, did someone just switch it off? Stu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Now I don't want to get all political but this order in England comes at an advantageous moment for the English Government, just as talks with the EU begin to collapse and actions that it concedes are against international laws are planned, then it bans all groups greater than 6 people rendering all and any public demonstrations illegal. That said, they are correct this is the time of the year when viruses spread but that is always typical of Universities opening and schools returning - but this is an open ended ban on groups of people meeting unless it is work or the gym. If this is going to keep us all safe, why didn't they just do this back in March and not close down UK PLC. 1 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted September 10, 2020 Author Moderators Share Posted September 10, 2020 Polite notice - let's not bring Brexit into the topic - we've got enough problems as it is. 1 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hibelroad Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 There was talk yesterday of this so called moonshot idea where everyone one gets tested and gets a result in minutes. I think it is more theoretical than an actual available procedure at the moment but if it did happen perhaps exhibition visitor could be tested at the door, allowing normal service once you were allowed into the hall. Possibly a way forward if it can be be made to work and is affordable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 18 minutes ago, Hibelroad said: There was talk yesterday of this so called moonshot idea where everyone one gets tested and gets a result in minutes. I think it is more theoretical than an actual available procedure at the moment but if it did happen perhaps exhibition visitor could be tested at the door, allowing normal service once you were allowed into the hall. Possibly a way forward if it can be be made to work and is affordable. Except the technology doesn't yet exist, it is a hope hence the moniker 'moonshot' - they have to develop the capability and they cannot even manage at the moment. They are blaming people for asking for tests as the cause when the Government has been actively encouraging people to take said tests so they get their numbers up. Testing continues to be a mess. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 32 minutes ago, AY Mod said: Polite notice - let's not bring Brexit into the topic - we've got enough problems as it is. Apols, had been reading the politics news and it was in my mind when I got to this thread. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSG Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 34 minutes ago, Hibelroad said: There was talk yesterday of this so called moonshot idea where everyone one gets tested and gets a result in minutes. I think it is more theoretical than an actual available procedure at the moment but if it did happen perhaps exhibition visitor could be tested at the door, allowing normal service once you were allowed into the hall. Possibly a way forward if it can be be made to work and is affordable. It's certainly one of the options being explored. The rapid results tests exist, the big question at the moment is whether they are reliable enough. Some countries (eg, Italy) are already starting to roll them out. But the risk is that if they turn out not to be reliable (and especially if they give too many false negatives) they could do more harm than good. The other big issue, of course, is cost. A Premier League football club could afford to test all their fans, if the tests work. But it could well be beyond the means of most model railway clubs. And even if they do work and are affordable, they still mean a lengthy queue to get in to the venue. Getting a test takes a lot longer than buying a ticket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, MarkSG said: It's certainly one of the options being explored. The rapid results tests exist, the big question at the moment is whether they are reliable enough. Some countries (eg, Italy) are already starting to roll them out. But the risk is that if they turn out not to be reliable (and especially if they give too many false negatives) they could do more harm than good. The other big issue, of course, is cost. A Premier League football club could afford to test all their fans, if the tests work. But it could well be beyond the means of most model railway clubs. And even if they do work and are affordable, they still mean a lengthy queue to get in to the venue. Getting a test takes a lot longer than buying a ticket. I somehow think we will be expected to buy our own tests and do them in the safety of our own home before venturing out, not at the point where we have travelled several miles and arrived at our destination. Which does beg the question, how will someone know that the person claiming to be free of Covid is free of it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold snitchthebudgie Posted September 10, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, woodenhead said: how will someone know Exactly. For the many and wonderful people around who follow the guidelines and rules, there will always be a proportion who couldn't care less. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSG Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 The rapid results tests can't be done at home, because they aren't just a simple chemical test (like a pregnancy test!), they require some fairly sophisticated machinery to analyse the sample. So you'd have to have a test machine (or several of them) at the entrance so that you can test people on the way in. If the rapid results tests do prove to be reliable, then I imagine the government may well cover the cost of deploying them at venues, at least those that a lot of people visit. But how widespread that would be is anyone's guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, MarkSG said: The rapid results tests can't be done at home, because they aren't just a simple chemical test (like a pregnancy test!), they require some fairly sophisticated machinery to analyse the sample. So you'd have to have a test machine (or several of them) at the entrance so that you can test people on the way in. That may be true now, but isn't this a discussion about future possibilities? It is worth pursuing development on all possibilities like this. One or more may open other possibilities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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