MR Chuffer Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 As I build my OO gauge northwest MR-based wagon fleet, I've introduced a few "foreigners", LNWR, CLC, GNR and others, from readily available RTR and kits but I really want L&Y wagons to be the second numerous contingent. Looking for simple stuff in RTR and kit, open wagons, a break or two and the occasional van to make a trip goods And perhaps a specialist van or two like fish but I can't see much commercial and then there are the two L&Y Wagon Books - Vol.1 and Vol.2 - which, at their current prices, are a bit overkill for a handful of basic wagons which seem spread between the two volumes. Can anyone please suggest options before the last resort of self-build (for which I'll need plans anyway)? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barclay Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 MAJ made plastic kits in the 1970's and maybe 80's that you may be be able to obtain secondhand. For plans I agree the books are a little 'heavy' for occasional reference, but I have 'Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway wagon diagrams' by Noel Coates which is a slim paperback full of useful line drawings (It was produced by the L&Y Society, but I'm afraid I can't remember where I got mine.) Noel Coates is THE L&Y wagon guru and wrote a number of articles with drawings in Railway Modeller in the 70's/80's. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted March 20, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, MR Chuffer said: last resort of self-build Why is such a rewarding experience a last resort? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR Chuffer Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Regularity said: Why is such a rewarding experience a last resort? I've only just restarted after 30-40 years away, and have probably 17 years left on this earth (according to actuary tables), so I want something to run in the next 3-5 years and can just about manage a Slaters kit without too many bodges - I have 20+ to build... I have all my PO wagons, thanks POWsides and RTR so I'll save "build from scratch" for the odd MR tariff van, fish van and other occasional MR oddity. Plus, I'm more operational than detailed model build. Edited March 20, 2020 by MR Chuffer sense 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted March 20, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2020 I totally get that: we all have our aims, desires and resources, and if because of them you would prefer not to scratchbuild, then no one can you are wrong - for you. I just felt that “last resort” sounded unnecessarily pejorative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Wizard/51L do a couple of L&YR wagons, although only one is currently available, a single bolster https://www.wizardmodels.ltd/shop/wagons/lyrd036/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted March 20, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 20, 2020 Colin Ashby also did a range of LYR wagons but as you would expect rarer than hens' teeth. Break van - London Road models do a number - ex D&S I think. But you would really need an LYR locomotive if using a tin tub or similar. Break vans tended to stay with their parent company and would therefore be generally hauled by a locomotive of the same company. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 It's whoever has now got the David Geen kits.... M/001 Diag. 1 1 Plank Wagon M/002 Diag. 3 10t Covered Van M/004 Diag. 15 3 Plank Dropside M/005 Diag. 16 4 Plank Open M/006 Diag. 16A 5 Plank Open M/010 Diag. 19 Cattle Wagon M/011 Diag. 19 Cattle Wagon Fitted M/013 Diag. 32A Single Bolster M/015 Diag. 55 5 Plank Open Fruit M/017 Diag. 63 5 Plank Open- End Door M/018 Diag. 64 Butter Van M/020 Diag. 72 Fish Van M/021 Diag. 73 Covered Goods Van Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 20, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: It's whoever has now got the David Geen kits.... M/001 Diag. 1 1 Plank Wagon M/002 Diag. 3 10t Covered Van M/004 Diag. 15 3 Plank Dropside M/005 Diag. 16 4 Plank Open M/006 Diag. 16A 5 Plank Open M/010 Diag. 19 Cattle Wagon M/011 Diag. 19 Cattle Wagon Fitted M/013 Diag. 32A Single Bolster M/015 Diag. 55 5 Plank Open Fruit M/017 Diag. 63 5 Plank Open- End Door M/018 Diag. 64 Butter Van M/020 Diag. 72 Fish Van M/021 Diag. 73 Covered Goods Van Jason If only somebody had but as far as I'm aware they're still in limbo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiedog Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 David Geen produces a plethora of white metal 4mm/1ft scale LNWR and LYR goods stock kits. However production is currently suspended. I can have a word with him to see If he has anything in stock. What are you interested in? HOWEVER PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT HIM DIRECTLY due to family health issues. He is a good friend of mine so I will speak to him on your behalf. It may be that there is nothing available at present as he has been unable to do any casting for a good while now. PM me with what you are looking for. David Scott 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiedog Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Just seen the two other comments as I was typing my own. There’s some LNWR which can be added to the list, but I can’t remember what they are. Help, please. David Scott. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 The old website is still up here. http://www.mikeysoft.co.uk/davidgeen.co.uk/index.html Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR Chuffer Posted March 21, 2020 Author Share Posted March 21, 2020 12 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: The old website is still up here. http://www.mikeysoft.co.uk/davidgeen.co.uk/index.html Jason Drool..... http://www.mikeysoft.co.uk/davidgeen.co.uk/catalogue/ly.htm. Given the range of other major and minor companies goods wagon availability in model form, the L&Y had very extensive operations across the North of England so I find it surprising there isn't more out there. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR Chuffer Posted March 21, 2020 Author Share Posted March 21, 2020 13 hours ago, Andy Hayter said: Colin Ashby also did a range of LYR wagons but as you would expect rarer than hens' teeth. Break van - London Road models do a number - ex D&S I think. But you would really need an LYR locomotive if using a tin tub or similar. Break vans tended to stay with their parent company and would therefore be generally hauled by a locomotive of the same company. Agreed, I think I could find the time and money to add a L&Y class 23 or 25 to my locomotive roster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davy crockett Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 http://www.lankykits.co.uk/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, davy crockett said: http://www.lankykits.co.uk/ Very nice, though it's mostly NPCS under the "wagons" tab. But the OP is 4 mm/ft scale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR Chuffer Posted March 21, 2020 Author Share Posted March 21, 2020 24 minutes ago, davy crockett said: http://www.lankykits.co.uk/ Yes, regrettably, 7mm, not 4mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR Chuffer Posted March 21, 2020 Author Share Posted March 21, 2020 18 hours ago, Barclay said: MAJ made plastic kits in the 1970's and maybe 80's that you may be be able to obtain secondhand. For plans I agree the books are a little 'heavy' for occasional reference, but I have 'Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway wagon diagrams' by Noel Coates which is a slim paperback full of useful line drawings (It was produced by the L&Y Society, but I'm afraid I can't remember where I got mine.) Noel Coates is THE L&Y wagon guru and wrote a number of articles with drawings in Railway Modeller in the 70's/80's. @BarclayI see "'Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway wagon diagrams' by Noel Coates is available on the L&Y Society site and at only £9.50. I think that may be my next port of call anyway. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted March 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2020 14 hours ago, Andy Hayter said: Colin Ashby also did a range of LYR wagons but as you would expect rarer than hens' teeth. Break van - London Road models do a number - ex D&S I think. But you would really need an LYR locomotive if using a tin tub or similar. Break vans tended to stay with their parent company and would therefore be generally hauled by a locomotive of the same company. The Colin Ashby kits were for the bodies, underframes were supplied by MAJ and included in the packs. Good kits, if you can find them! Pity that the L&Y Society didn't get hold of the moulds, but it appears that both MAJ & the Colin Ashby kit moulds are lost 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted March 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2020 2 hours ago, MR Chuffer said: the L&Y had very extensive operations across the North of England so I find it surprising there isn't more out there. Possibly a lot of their traffic remained on their system? Traffic from, say, Liverpool and Manchester docks to London or Birmingham, and further points, would have been more likely to travel via the LNWR: given the close working relationship between the two companies, this seems highly likely. Ditto traffic from industrial centres in those areas, extending to Leeds/Bradford. Traffic from the East Coast ports to London was admirably served by the GNR, etc. If so (and I am using supposition here), LYR stock was less common outside of its own hinterland, and less likely to appear elsewhere - including in photos - and has therefore been more of a “niche” subject for modelling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR Chuffer Posted March 21, 2020 Author Share Posted March 21, 2020 I'm thinking specifically where the MR butted up to the L&Y in East Lancashire, the end on junction between the 2 at Colne, shared traffic at Blackburn where the MR had goods facilities and ran through trains from Liverpool and Manchester over the L&Y up through Blackburn and Clitheroe to Hellifield and on to the Settle and Carlisle. The Midland also ran trains over L&Y metals on the North Lancashire loop from Rose Grove through Padiham, Simonstone and Great Harwood to Blackburn and beyond, thereby avoiding the busy Accrington area. So quite a compelling case to my mind for intermingling Midland and L&Y wagons, and it looks like there will have to be scratch build Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted March 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2020 I was speaking generally, about maybe why there aren’t more LYR models. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2020 @MR Chuffer, what date? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 7 hours ago, kevinlms said: The Colin Ashby kits were for the bodies, underframes were supplied by MAJ and included in the packs. Good kits, if you can find them! Pity that the L&Y Society didn't get hold of the moulds, but it appears that both MAJ & the Colin Ashby kit moulds are lost I don't know about MAJ, but I bought some Colin Ashby kits direct from Colin on eBay about five years ago or so. Mostly LMS and GWR. I think he was just clearing old stocks. I think they went to Phoenix after that. They've definitely got the Southern coaches. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR Chuffer Posted March 21, 2020 Author Share Posted March 21, 2020 46 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: @MR Chuffer, what date? First decade of 20th century. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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