Rails announce SE&CR 16' Covered Goods Wagon

[Edwardian]

Given the news I have been receiving from Sheffield, I would say that anyone out there interested in one of these but yet to order should not hang about. 

[adrianmc]

21 minutes ago, Edwardian said:

Given the news I have been receiving from Sheffield, I would say that anyone out there interested in one of these but yet to order should not hang about. 

 

From the website it looks like the SE&CR Light Grey versions with "normal" doors now sold out.

 

 

 

[adrianmc]

All SE&CR liveried versions sold out - only the early SR Brown livery ones can now be pre ordered on the Rail's website.

 

https://railsofsheffield.com/groups/3034/se-cr-16-covered-goods-wagon

[Oliver Rails]

Yes the majority have now sold out with just a handful of the SR versions remaining available to order. A huge thank you to everybody who has ordered so far.

 

For anyone who has missed out, the plan is to hopefully produce an additional batch in the near future. Hopefully once the current situation calms and we can confirm estimated production dates from our partners we will make these available to pre-order

[truffy]

51 minutes ago, Oliver Rails said:

a handful of the SR versions remaining available to order.

 

Phew! Now I don't feel so bad for not showing the same laudable restraint as @PaulRhB. 

[JSpencer]

1 hour ago, Oliver Rails said:

Yes the majority have now sold out with just a handful of the SR versions remaining available to order. A huge thank you to everybody who has ordered so far.

 

For anyone who has missed out, the plan is to hopefully produce an additional batch in the near future. Hopefully once the current situation calms and we can confirm estimated production dates from our partners we will make these available to pre-order

 

Once the world becomes less crazy again, I sincerely hope that you will rerun all 5 SECR colours and numbers (I blinked and missed most of them). I would definitely buy all the set.

[Martin.M]

What about a SE&CR Cattle wagon as the next choice? Looks like you are having great success with SE&CR wagons.... 

Martin

[Edwardian]

Personal observation.  While caution suggested that the SR versions would be the surer seller, in reality, as we have seen, the SE&CR versions, particularly the Wainwright era versions, have experienced exceptionally strong demand.

 

That warms the cockles of my Edwardian heart, so thanks to all those supporting the earlier period. I hope you will enjoy them when they arrive, and I look forward to seeing pictures of them behind Cs and Ps in due course.

[Craigw]

2 hours ago, Martin.M said:

What about a SE&CR Cattle wagon as the next choice? Looks like you are having great success with SE&CR wagons.... 

Martin

 

I suspect that any run of the mill covered van or open wagon will do well and I hope that is that path that is pursued.  Choosing anything more specialised will limit the appeal in my opinion. 

 

Regards,

 

Craig W

[Edwardian]

I suspect we ought to give someone else a turn!

[Compound2632]

If, for design and production reasons, it's another covered goods wagon that's wanted, I would suggest the Midland 16'6" 8/10 ton vehicle, D362/D363. Not counting related diagrams with express running gear and/or louvre ventilators in the sides, 6,395 were built to a number of drawings with some detail differences between 1893 and 1916, making them reasonably numerous by the standards of pre-Grouping covered goods wagons. There seems to have been a good rate of survival to post-1936 LMS livery and early BR livery, with examples in traffic into the 1950s. There are a number of preserved examples, including vehicles that had survived in the Royal Dockyards, I think. This example is at the Buckinghamshire Railway Centre, Quainton Road:

 

 

[My photo.]

 

Of course there a RTR model would be in competition with the Slaters kit.

Edited March 27, 2020 by Compound2632
Reference to Slaters kit.

[A Murphy]

i believe vans to diagram D362/3 were also produced for the CLC and would therefore have been seen in lots of places in the NW and into Yorks and Lincs? Of course some GC stock wouldn't go amiss either and for the right diagrams the above applies.  

 

Regards,

 

Alastair M

[Compound2632]

1 hour ago, A Murphy said:

i believe vans to diagram D362/3 were also produced for the CLC and would therefore have been seen in lots of places in the NW and into Yorks and Lincs?

 

Yes, 75 vehicles, 30 to Lot 605 ordered March 1905 and 45 to Lot 694 ordered November 1907. Of course these vehicles as well as the Midland ones could be seen anywhere once covered goods wagons were pooled - during the Great War? 

 

Even pre-pooling, the could be seen well off the Midland system. There's a Midland covered goods wagon lurking in this c. 1900 photo at Huntley & Palmers factory in Reading, although I think it's actually one of the 14'11" lower-roofed version built up to 1892, D373. However, it illustrates my point. My suspicion is that there's nothing random about the presence of this vehicle. I think it's likely there was a frequent - maybe daily? - circuit working shipping a bulk load of biscuits to the Midlands - maybe to the Derby St Mary's tranship shed for breaking down for distribution to wholesale customers at stations on the Midland system.

[Compound2632]

Of course the CLC wagons provide another livery variation, which ought to be attractive to Rails. I don't think these Derby-built vehicles feature in P. Tatlow, LNER Wagons Vol. 1, which covers CLC wagons built by the Great Northern and MSL/Great Central. But here's a thing: in 1930, the CLC goods stock was divided with 1/3 to the LMS and 2/3 to the LNER, on a diagram-by-diagram basis. Therefore, up to 50 of these vehicles must have passed into LNER stock. I wonder, are there any photos showing LNER livery?

Edited March 27, 2020 by Compound2632

[Martin.M]

I still think an SE&CR wagon would be best !

[A Murphy]

Stephen,

 

In answer to your question about CLC vans, Dow I think mentions in the back of Vol 3 of Great Central that these vans were built for the CLC, but I may be wrong  - I will check. I have some stuff on the CLC and see if I can find photographic evidence.

 

Best wishes,

 

Alastair M

[Compound2632]

2 minutes ago, A Murphy said:

In answer to your question about CLC vans, Dow I think mentions in the back of Vol 3 of Great Central that these vans were built for the CLC, but I may be wrong  - I will check. I have some stuff on the CLC and see if I can find photographic evidence.

 

There is a photo of one of the Derby-built CLC vans in R.J. Essery, Midland Wagons Vol. 1 (OPC, 1890) plate 44. Along with the first batch of vans for the CLC, Derby built 20 cattle wagons, Lot 605, and 150 open wagons, Lot 635. Presumably these were standard Midland types but for all these CLC vehicles, new drawings were issued. The total CLC stock was around 4,000, so the Midland contibution was small compared to that of the Great Northern and especially the MSL/GC.

[phil gollin]

1 hour ago, Martin.M said:

I still think an SE&CR wagon would be best !

.

 

IF a large proportion of coal was brought to the South by Coaster, then I would suggest that the coal/mineral wagons that were used to transport it to the power stations, industrial and domectic users would be very necessary.

 

.

[Compound2632]

1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

Along with the first batch of vans for the CLC, Derby built 20 cattle wagons, Lot 605, and 150 open wagons, Lot 635. Presumably these were standard Midland types but for all these CLC vehicles, new drawings were issued. 

 

Looking up these drawing numbers - 2696/7/9 - in the Midland Railway Study Centre drawing databse, they don't correspond at all, so I wonder if these were Derby C&W DO drawings. However, the drawing number given for the second batch of vans, 2919, does fit: 10 Ton Covered Goods C.L.C., date: 1907-11-22, draughtsman: J Dobson. 

[Edwardian]

BTW, as reported elsewhere, Dapol has closed its operations during the lock-down period.  The factory that produces the 3D product is currently only producing medical products required to help combat the virus.  Thus, as with everything else right now, we can expect some delay.  I am sure everyone will be understanding of this.  Keep safe!

[phil gollin]

.

 

Good for them.

 

.

[Wickham Green too]

23 hours ago, phil gollin said:

.

 

IF a large proportion of coal was brought to the South by Coaster, then I would suggest that the coal/mineral wagons that were used to transport it to the power stations, industrial and domectic users would be very necessary.

 

.

Many ( most ? ) of the power stations and quite a few industries ( north Kent / Medway cement in particular ) were deliberately situated where they could receive coal direct from coasters or lighters - so there wouldn't be as much transshipment coal as you might expect.

[Wickham Green too]

On 27/03/2020 at 14:30, Compound2632 said:

 

.......... biscuits to the Midlands - maybe to the Derby St Mary's tranship shed for breaking down .........

I wondered why my biscuits always arrived ready-broken !

[Skinnylinny]

On 27/03/2020 at 19:52, Martin.M said:

I still think an SE&CR wagon would be best !

Oh, I don't know... how about an LB&SCR one to go behind all those lovely terriers, the forthcoming E1 from Model Rail, and the Bachmann E4s?

[phil gollin]

23 hours ago, Wickham Green too said:

Many ( most ? ) of the power stations and quite a few industries ( north Kent / Medway cement in particular ) were deliberately situated where they could receive coal direct from coasters or lighters - so there wouldn't be as much transshipment coal as you might expect.

.

 

Many of the bigger (now regarded as medium sized)  power stations were built in the 20's and 30's.    At the time the SECR was a going concern the power stations were smaller and much more distributed.  In addition many towns had their own gas works, and even small chemical works producing products from coal or gas station waste products.  Also sand and gravel and bricks was needed for the huge increase in building.

 

.