mikesndbs Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Hi, Please see the photo attached. I am renumbering some BR vans. Please can someone tell me what items 1-3 are? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 It's the Tare weight expressed as tons, hundredweights and quarters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesndbs Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: It's the Tare weight expressed as tons, hundredweights and quarters. Is that text number 1? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, mikesndbs said: Is that text number 1? Thanks No, just script 8-3-3 (i.e., 8 tons, 3 cwt, 3 qtr). There were just different ways of doing it but bear in mind that you'd probably only see one of the forms on the wagon. Adam 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesndbs Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Adam said: No, just script 8-3-3 (i.e., 8 tons, 3 cwt, 3 qtr). There were just different ways of doing it but bear in mind that you'd probably only see one of the forms on the wagon. Adam Ah right so item 1 is the tare, any clues as to 2 and 3 please? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, mikesndbs said: Ah right so item 1 is the tare, any clues as to 2 and 3 please? They're all tare weights, expressed in different ways (and two different weights - apparently identical wagons weighed in differently). The important thing is only to use one! Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesndbs Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, Adam said: They're all tare weights, expressed in different ways (and two different weights - apparently identical wagons weighed in differently). The important thing is only to use one! Adam Oh blimey lol I did not know that, nice one Adam thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesndbs Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 So looking at 2 and 3 which seem to be right for my era, if I am reading it right 8-3 is 8 tons and 3/4 while 8-14 is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Happy Hippo Posted March 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, mikesndbs said: So looking at 2 and 3 which seem to be right for my era, if I am reading it right 8-3 is 8 tons and 3/4 while 8-14 is? No 8 ton 3 cwt (hundredweight) 8 ton 14 cwt You have to think old fashioned! Some of us still are....... Edited March 25, 2020 by Happy Hippo 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, mikesndbs said: So looking at 2 and 3 which seem to be right for my era, if I am reading it right 8-3 is 8 tons and 3/4 while 8-14 is? Just 8 tons, 14 cwt (presumably they either rounded down or it came in dead on. It's probably less critical for banana traffic as it's pretty obvious whether the van was empty and the load was unlikely to threaten the safe axle loading. Adam 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesndbs Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Adam said: Just 8 tons, 14 cwt (presumably they either rounded down or it came in dead on. It's probably less critical for banana traffic as it's pretty obvious whether the van was empty and the load was unlikely to threaten the safe axle loading. Adam Thanks again, it's quite a deal with banana vans as the weight changed when the steam heating equipment was taken out! So I am looking for the heaviest tate weight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) For some reason bananas were one of the rare commodities where they wanted to go down to quarters, so this correctly shows the tons cwt and quarters which was NOT on the right hand side, but on the yellow spot https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brbanana/e28ce3503 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brbanana/e3451f31c Another wagon type which typically had quarters shown were the tank wagons - usually written on the solebar. Indeed this one goes down to lbs (pounds) https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/smbptank/e65b0adab Paul Edited March 25, 2020 by hmrspaul 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesndbs Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 Ah yes, once the steam heating was removed thre yellow spot was added, I am working on wagons with heating fitted and no spot. Great info, thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted March 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2020 You want steam bananas, much better than diesel... 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesndbs Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 1 hour ago, The Johnster said: You want steam bananas, much better than diesel... Indeed so, from what I have found, left side of van will need Steam Banana, number and tones On the right will be yellow spot and tare. Top either side but not both will be a fyffes label Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 The vans I recall (Avonmouth branch, 1950s, a major traffic) had white spots, but no Fyffes labels (IIRC - it was along time ago!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 12 hours ago, Il Grifone said: The vans I recall (Avonmouth branch, 1950s, a major traffic) had white spots, but no Fyffes labels (IIRC - it was along time ago!). Not sure when 'Traders' labels came into use; something makes me think it was a brief period in the late 1950s, until perhaps 1965. The problem was that old ones were seldom completely removed, which made the Merchandise fleet look even more uncared for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Late fifties would be compatible with our move from Bristol in 1959. I could easily have missed the first ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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