50/60s front loader

[Guest Jack Benson]

Hi,

 

Muir-Hill? Loader at rest

 

The coal depot needs a 50/60s front loader in 4mm, the only model that springs to mind is the exAirfix/Dapol JCB suitably modified.

Dapol CO45

Any other suitable models out there, please?

 

Cheers

 

 

Edited March 27, 2020 by Guest

[petethemole]

Langley do a Drott and a Fordson Chaseside in white metal. http://www.langleymodels.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_OO_Cranes__Heavy_plant___Road_Machinery___RW1_RW21_29.html

[petethemole]

A possible idea for pedestrian traffic in Britannia Road?  Fetching coke from the gas works.

 

[Guest Jack Benson]

And this just popped up

 

3d printed loader, unknown scale

 

plus Oxford offer a swept-up version of the Airfix JCB.

 

 

Pete, I cannot see your image.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

[Oldddudders]

Chaseside was a brand I recall from the '50s. A sand pit near us had one which did a circuitous route to its home shed not far away every evening on my way home from skool. 

[PhilJ W]

The old Matchbox 1-75 series Weatherill is a pretty good model very near to scale except for the underscale cast in driver. Husky also produced a Massey-Ferguson digger fitted with an angled blade which could be replaced with something more suitable.

[KeithHC]

The Oxford JCB is a much later version. The Airfix/Dapol one would be a much better fit. Matchbox also did a Weatherill front loader that would also be of the right date.

[Guest Jack Benson]

Naturally, as soon as the question is asked shedloads of suitable models appear, for example I did not know that Oxford was offering a Mk1 JCB loader.

However, someone has just PM'd this image of the actual loader at PD Dibles coal depot, any ideas of its origins?

 

And the full monty

 

Bedford TKs seem to be very popular as coal drays in the Southampton area, there are at least two more in my archive.

 

Cheers

[PhilJ W]

That looks like an Iron Fairy, also made by Matchbox but nearer to HO scale.

[Guest Jack Benson]

42 minutes ago, PhilJ W said:

That looks like an Iron Fairy, also made by Matchbox but nearer to HO scale.

Hi,

 

Please more info, with such a wonderful name an example is essential.

 

Thanks

[petethemole]

See if this works

 

https://www.facebook.com/SouthamptonMemories/photos/a.342330002522929/1909819225773991/?type=3&theater

[Fat Controller]

I don't think it's an Iron Fairy. They had a proper body and a box-section, hydraulic jib. Popular with the military. Here's a link to some photos:-

https://www.google.com/search?q=iron+fairy+crane&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwixu4ueybvoAhVOZcAKHUnWB88QsAR6BAgJEAE&biw=2070&bih=972

[petethemole]

In 1971 they had a Muir Hill F5000, seen here in a set of photos I hadn't seen before https://www.flickr.com/photos/52467480@N08/6454433121/

Found by googling 'Corralls Southampton' rather than 'Dibles Wharf'.  I was working just down the road at the time and living in Northam, so used to walk to work past there.

[Guest Jack Benson]

9 hours ago, petethemole said:

In 1971 they had a Muir Hill F5000, seen here in a set of photos I hadn't seen before https://www.flickr.com/photos/52467480@N08/6454433121/

Found by googling 'Corralls Southampton' rather than 'Dibles Wharf'.  I was working just down the road at the time and living in Northam, so used to walk to work past there.

My late father was an employee of the PD group and used to carry out an annual independent audit at Corralls coal concentration  depot, I was lucky to be  ‘treated’ to accompany him but had to remain seen but not heard.

 

I am perplexed by the purpose of the depot, presumably bulk coal was received by collier and rail for use in both domestic and industry.  
 

Thanks for the contributions, knowledge shared is not lost.

 

cheers
 

 

 

[petethemole]

In its heyday most of their coal came in by sea. The gas works coal also came by sea to their wharf just downstream. No doubt you remember the overhead conveyor across Marine Parade?

[Fat Controller]

Didn't they also supply coal to the Isle of White, hence the elaborate facilities?  I've seen photos of a very clever wagon unloading device they had, which could unload both hoppers and 'flat-bottomed' wagons. Hoppers simply discharged into a pit between the tracks, whilst other wagons were discharged via the end doors, using two tilting platforms (one 'left-handed', one 'right-handed') to lift one end of the wagon.

[Guest Jack Benson]

6 hours ago, petethemole said:

In its heyday most of their coal came in by sea. The gas works coal also came by sea to their wharf just downstream. No doubt you remember the overhead conveyor across Marine Parade?

It was a ‘distribution’ hub?
 

cheers

[petethemole]

Basically yes. They used rail as well, obviously, from the shots of wagons unloading.  A page on the origins of the firm is here:  http://hovehistory.blogspot.com/2015/11/james-corrall-of-brighton.html

 

An aerial view of the site in 1948:  https://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/en/image/EAW020006

 

For clarity, the gas works coal wharf wasn't part of Corralls, it was part of the Gas Company/Board's premises.

[JCB 3C no.2]

On 27/03/2020 at 19:09, Jack Benson said:

 

 

However, someone has just PM'd this image of the actual loader at PD Dibles coal depot, any ideas of its origins?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tales of Iron Fairies , Jumbos and Pelicans

 

The grab crane is   a Taylor Jumbo Hydracrane, these were popular from the outset for coal  loading with all the early ones having no slew capability which must have meant a lot of shuffling around the yard. In fact Taylor invented the rotary slew hydraulic coupling which is now used on every 360deg crane and excavator see-

http://tonyonthemoon.co.uk/Coles-history-taylors-story.html

 

 

and also , (note many of the cranes in photos here have grabs.)

https://tractors.fandom.com/wiki/F_Taylor_%26_Sons

 

 

The good old Neals Pelican was also a very popular coal loader , probably because I would imagine they were comparatively cheap as they looked liked something the local blacksmith could knock up grafted onto a Fordson Major see-

https://tractom.com/wiki/Neal_Pelican_Loader

 

Matchbox made a decent model of one of the later Taylor Jumbo cranes in 1-75 range , not sure what scale it is though.

 

Edited March 30, 2020 by JCB 3C no.2

[Guest Jack Benson]

Hi,

To remind everyone of the Matchbox Taylors crane.

This is #11 1:85 scale

 

and the K14 Taylors crane 1:58

 

An image captured at the end of the working life of Dibles, there are a few remnants of the coal depot and a Volvo wheeled front loader. The site was recently sold for 'development' but rails are still visible in the concrete hardstanding.

 

Finally, an image of Dibles in the 50s, steam working is still visible, just find it.

 

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

[PhilJ W]

Do I see the Airfix/Dapol dickside crane there as well? (With skinny legs and a grab.)

[Guest Jack Benson]

An image from the recent sales brochure, we could not afford the £4m+ sales price. The rail connection was in the top left corner of the red lines.

Cheers