Staffordshire Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Hello, Thinking about a future project, the building of one of the Southern region EMU De-Icer or Store Unit ? I know these were modified from 2-BIL / 2-HAL and other units. Any information, or pointers on these units would be helpful, also any info on any modelling aids etc, etc I know it is a long shot ! Cheers, Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium zarniwhoop Posted April 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 2, 2020 The first stores units were certainly from HAL motor coaches, unless my memory is wrong (B&W pics in all sorts of books related to Southern Electric topics), but I don't think any HAL motorcoaches were used for de-icers, nor BIL motor coaches for either. The earlier de-icers used old SUB motorcoaches (again, I've seen B&W pics somewhere), e.g. the one I saw at Lovers Walk in maybe 1970. I wouldn't like to say _which_ sort of SUB, but prewar panelled stock. Later, Bulleid SUB motors were used - see Darius's 4-SUB De-icer currently under construction in Kitbuilding & Scratchbuilding. ĸen 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Here's chapter and verse on the de-icing units. http://extra.southernelectric.org.uk/features/historical-features/iceagetrain.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIK Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, pete_mcfarlane said: Here's chapter and verse on the de-icing units. http://extra.southernelectric.org.uk/features/historical-features/iceagetrain.html Hi, I wish I'd had that info when I built my MTK Ex 4 SUB de-icer. I hope I got the coach and unit numbers on my unit right. I think I've got a spare Hornby 2-BIL motor bogie (minus the side frames) that might be able to replace my Southern Pride motor bogie (which has a live chassis/motor and not that easy to DCC). I've got a milling machine so if I could get a chunk of steel delivered I might be able to make a Hornby 2-BIL motor mount/weight. I would have to strengthen the MTK aluminium floor to take the extra weight. I suspect the Hornby 2-HAL motor bogie would be a better slow speed runner as I think it has a different motor more suited to starting with the frictional load caused by the large weight. Take care. Nick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium zarniwhoop Posted April 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 2, 2020 Thanks for the pointer. A quick read suggests that Bournmouth de-icers can be made from HALs. ĸen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 The late Alistair Rolfe of NNK was adement that these were Bulleid EPB driving coaches with a SUB cab grafted on - his hypothesis being it was less drafty than a SUB and more operationally interchangeable with an EPB. jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffordshire Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 Thanks for the replies so far .... Did any of the Stores or De-icing units run in the BR/SR green livery, I seem unable to find any photos ? Any pointers very welcome ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium zarniwhoop Posted May 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 14, 2020 The stores units all post-dated the introduction of blue livery. If you go back far enough, de-icers were green - but those were all based on motorcoaches from old Sub units (all panelled, I think). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
74009 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 On 02/04/2020 at 18:44, jonhall said: The late Alistair Rolfe of NNK was adement that these were Bulleid EPB driving coaches with a SUB cab grafted on - his hypothesis being it was less drafty than a SUB and more operationally interchangeable with an EPB. jon I always thought it was the other way around - SUB coaches with an EPB cab grafted on. This is a pic I took in 1980 of a conversion being undertaken at Selhurst: https://www.flickr.com/photos/74009/4101945622/in/album-72157623555986986/ All the best Stuart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, 74009 said: I always thought it was the other way around - SUB coaches with an EPB cab grafted on. This is a pic I took in 1980 of a conversion being undertaken at Selhurst: https://www.flickr.com/photos/74009/4101945622/in/album-72157623555986986/ All the best Stuart Even that isn't right. They were surplus all-steel SUB motor coaches, heavily modified along their length, although with most windows retained, and with new steel panels with EPB-style sliding windows (but set marginally lower) replacing the SUB driver's doors. A new head code panel was welded in, too, to replace the former SUB ones. The interior of each car was dramatically changed, including the driver's cab, and EPB braking was fitted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 2 hours ago, 74009 said: I always thought it was the other way around - SUB coaches with an EPB cab grafted on. This is a pic I took in 1980 of a conversion being undertaken at Selhurst: Yes, I'm sure you (and bécasse) are right - its been a long time.... Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 The later units were certaily Bulleid Sub motor with new panelling like EPBs. Inside were fluid tanks. Here a quick two pics. Go to Kitbuilding & Scratch building for lots more of my shots. Dave Smith Elbow Lane 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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