RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted April 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) Can anyone identify this short rake of what I assume is an overhead line maintenance train, seen here stabled just north of Rugby, on the Down side, in April 1984? It was there some months, and IIRC disappeared sometime during summer that year. Looks like they are on Gresley bogies, and possibly are conversions from some sort of suburban stock. Edited September 3, 2022 by rodent279 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulleidnutter Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Look like Gresleys coverted for OHLE work. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
balders Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Looks like a crane and runner on the front of the rake of coaches. They definetley look old school ER though. A quick look through Departmental book around 1986 didn't find any LM stock that was ex LNER on the electrification train side of things but I can't help pre-86. There were certainly a fair number of ex LNER and associated Eastern company vehicles in use allocated to the Eastern region though with some as crane runners. Someone on here is bound to have a definitive answer! Regards Guy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted April 7, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 7, 2020 I'm assuming it's an OHL maintenance train, because of the roofs that look like they've been flattened, and maybe have lights in them. I guess it could be a tunnel inspection/maintenance train? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagrizz Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 I live in Rugby but cannot place the location of this photo, the large building to the right of the train and what appear to be flats on the skyline don't tally with me. Can anyone help? Graham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
balders Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, dagrizz said: I live in Rugby but cannot place the location of this photo, the large building to the right of the train and what appear to be flats on the skyline don't tally with me. Can anyone help? Graham Graham is it looking South to the birdcage? The flats on the right are at the top of the hill on Clifton Road and are due to be demolished. My knowledge of the old layout isn't sufficient but it looks like that view point. Maybe Nidge can clarify @Rugd1022 ? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagrizz Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Guy, How are you? The flats on Clifton road are just two blocks of similar size, the photo seems to show something different to those. Graham 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 I've a feeling it's a breakdown crane and train. Leeds Holbeck had one like that ISTR. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 The view is taken from the north end of the layout at Rugby, close to the bridge over Newbold Road, looking south towards the station, you can just make out the 'black path' footbridge that spans all the lines, the vehicles are stood in the old down sidings, now the site of Wood Street industrial estate. The tower blocks in the distance are in Biart Place just off Clifton Road, which are being demolished as I type. The houses on the extreme right of the photo are in Wood Street. Hope that helps folks! 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) Here's a view of the down side yard taken from the footbridge looking north in 1982... Rodent's pic was taken from a spot just north of where the 87 is in this pic... Edited April 7, 2020 by Rugd1022 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 2 hours ago, rodent279 said: I'm assuming it's an OHL maintenance train, because of the roofs that look like they've been flattened, and maybe have lights in them. I guess it could be a tunnel inspection/maintenance train? If it is an OHL electrification train with Gresley bogies, could it be from the Woodhead line? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted April 7, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, Rugd1022 said: The view is taken from the north end of the layout at Rugby, close to the bridge over Newbold Road, looking south towards the station, you can just make out the 'black path' footbridge that spans all the lines, the vehicles are stood in the old down sidings, now the site of Wood Street industrial estate. The tower blocks in the distance are in Biart Place just off Clifton Road, which are being demolished as I type. The houses on the extreme right of the photo are in Wood Street. Hope that helps folks! Spot on. Here's a screenshot from the NLS maps website using the OS 1:10,560 1949-1969 series of maps. I'd place the photo taken from just above where the s in Works is, just east of Newbold Rd. The footbridge in the distance is marked Path, and FB, and goes from Wood St over the railway and through the GEC works. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted April 7, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Pandora said: If it is an OHL electrification train with Gresley bogies, could it be from the Woodhead line? Plausible. 3 yrs after Woodhead shut, I'd imagine the knitting was removed pretty hastily after closure, so that's entirely possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Just found this pic from the same time as the other one, taken from the footbridge looking north showing the same vehicles... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted April 7, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Pandora said: If it is an OHL electrification train with Gresley bogies, could it be from the Woodhead line? Nail has been firmly smote on the head. https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/129250-woodhead-electrification-inspection-train/ I think Pandora may have solved it! Edited April 7, 2020 by rodent279 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Here are some of the vehicles on the up side at Rugby... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted April 7, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) I reckon it's the Reddish or Penistone OHL Maintenance Train. Can @hmrspaul confirm? Edited April 7, 2020 by rodent279 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Penistone rather than Holbeck. I remember seeing them years ago somewhere in Yorkshire. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Pandora said: If it is an OHL electrification train with Gresley bogies, could it be from the Woodhead line? I would agree that it is an OLE maintenance/construction train, but I don't think that too much can be read into the fact that it is ex-LNE stock. Overhead Line trains simply were created out of whatever was available. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 13 hours ago, rodent279 said: I reckon it's the Reddish or Penistone OHL Maintenance Train. Can @hmrspaul confirm? One of those - presumably the Reddish one - would have been retained for the Hadfield 'stump' unless replaced by something completely different. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted April 8, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: One of those - presumably the Reddish one - would have been retained for the Hadfield 'stump' unless replaced by something completely different. True, though Hadfield went 25kV later in 1984, so it's possible they used whatever was the nearest 25kV OHL maintenance train-presumably Longsight? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM42 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) Looking at my Ian Allen of 1985 it appears that the ADE numbered stock was spread all over the country. I can't make out the number in the picture above but here are a few examples with the locations given. These are I believe locations at the time of printing and not necessarily orignal allocations, but does show a number of possible locations that were not necessarily an in store location. ADE320580 ex E86872E Romford ADE 320582 ex E82399E Carstairs LDE320750 ex E82331E Wigan Bamfurlong Andy Edited April 8, 2020 by SM42 Correct numbers and remove BTU van. Eyes ain't what they used to be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
balders Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, SM42 said: Looking at my Ian Allen of 1985 it appears that the ADE numbered stock was spread all over the country. I can't make out the number in the picture above but here are a few examples with the locations given. These are I believe locations at the time of printing and not necessarily orignal allocations, but does show a number of possible locations that were not necessarily an in store location. Tinsley I would say is a bit of an outlier ADE320580 ex E86873E Romford ADE 320583 ex E82388E Carstairs ADE320610 ex E62482E Tinsley LDE320750 ex E82331E Wigan Bamfurlong Andy ADE320836 (E82359E) is the one in the photo above. According to Departmentals.com there were sightings at Nuneaton then Rugby in 1984 but also in Rugby summer 1983. It was scrapped at Marple and Gillot in Sheffield November 1985. It looks demic in the above photo - the windows are missing - so in all liklehood is stored or withdrawn already. Regards Guy Edited April 8, 2020 by balders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM42 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, balders said: ADE320836 (E82359E) is the one in the photo above. According to Departmentals.com there were sightings at Nuneaton then Rugby in 1984 but also in Rugby summer 1983. It was scrapped at Marple and Gillot in Sheffield November 1985. It looks demic in the above photo - the windows are missing - so in all liklehood is stored or withdrawn already. Regards Guy Guy thanks for clarifying the number Ian Allen 1985 shows it as an OHLM pantograph coach and at Rugby. Andy Edited April 8, 2020 by SM42 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
balders Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I've just found my 84' Departmental book. The Rugby allocation was a set of three; ADE320823 (E88014E) 1926 LNER CL which was the staff and office coach. ADE320828 (E88101E) 1928 LNER C which was the workshop coach ADE320836 (E82359E) 1929 LNER T which was the pantograph coach. This ties up the original photo I think hopefully! Regards Guy 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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