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I stared this one a couple of years ago and then stopped.

 

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The chassis utilises the MTK pressed aluminium sheet base with their plastic trusses and white metal equipment parts.

 

The bogies are from Phoenix white metal kits.  They run well but are a bit chunky.   I may replace them with Hornby 2-BIL bogies.

 

The trailer coach is yet to be built...

 

Cheers

 

Darius

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20 minutes ago, Strathwood said:

Sorry to be a pedant but it was formed from an ex 4-LAV one of the two Bulleid versions as per the cover of one of latest titles.

 

Kevin

 

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Hi Kevin,

 

In which case what is this then?
 

2-HAL de-icer

 

Digging deeper I see that it is a HAL/LAV hybrid - so we are both half right (or half wrong depending on your outlook).


Still, at least you got to plug your book.

 

Cheers

 

Darius

 

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According to 'Southern Region Multiple Unit Trains' by G Beecroft and B Rayner, published by the Southern Electric Group - on page 101 referring to De-Icing units 001 and 002 (which was renumbered from unit 003), and by implication the original unit 002 when it was first formed;

 

"Both units comprise a pair of 2 Hal or 4 Lav motor coaches".

 

The formation at the time of writing was;

 

Unit 001

ADS 70268 (ex 10726) + ADS 70273 (ex 10500)

 

Unit 002

ADS 70270 (ex 10497) + ADS 70272 (ex10499)

 

HTH

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I've posted this image on RMweb before but in case it's of any help, here is ADS 70272 of unit 002 at Bournemouth T&RSMD. 

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I've also referred to Southern Electric, A New History by David Brown, published by Capital Transport - page 184.  This gives the original formations as;

 

Unit 001 DS 70268 (ex 10726 from 2 Hal 2608) + DS 70273 (ex 10500 from 4 Lav 2955)

 

Unit 002 DS 70269 (ex 10764 from 4 Lav 2926) + DS 70271 (ex 10498 from 4 Lav 2954)

 

Unit 003 DS 70270 (ex 10497 from 4 Lav 2954) + DS 70272 (ex 10499 from 4 Lav 2955)

 

There's also another picture of 002 on page 185. 

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Cab front cleaned up and window apertures tidied up.  Cast buffer beam removed - to be replaced by a plasticard version.

 

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To my eye, cast in place cab front pipework and jumper cables never look good even with the steadiest painting so these will be added separately.

 

Cheers

 

Darius

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If both coaches are with the porthole style of windows  and the doors arrangement you are limited to 002 and 003 and the ex 4-LAV units, just to plug the books a little further here is a clearer shot of 003 from Volume I. also used on the original MTK box.

 

Have a look at the superb 

https://www.bloodandcustard.com/SR-4LAV.html

 

 

2954

Unit damaged by enemy action (location unknown, probably New Cross Gate) Jul‑44.

Unit withdrawn May‑68. Both motor coaches to Stewarts Lane for conversion to departmental use. Trailers 11999 and 11534 both stored at Micheldever and held for possible conversion as part of an Instruction Train and later for possible trailers to make‑up the two Stores units to four coaches. However neither of these projects were carried out and they were both sent for scrapping to G. Cohen, Kettering Mar‑75. MBS 10498 converted to De‑Icing motor DS70271 and to unit 002 18‑Oct‑68, 10497 becoming DS70270 for unit 003 8‑Feb‑69.

2955

Unit in depot collision with 3023 at Lovers Walk 13‑Nov‑63 and MBS 10500 damaged and repaired at Lancing.

Unit withdrawn 15‑Jun‑68. Both motor coaches to Stewarts Lane for conversion to departmental use. Trailers 12000 and 11535 both stored at Micheldever and held for possible conversion as part of an Instruction Train and later for possible trailers to make‑up the two Stores units to four coaches. However neither of these projects were carried out and they were both sent for scrapping to T. W. Ward Ltd, Briton Ferry, moving 4‑Jul‑72. MBS 10499 converted to De‑Icing motor DS70272 8‑Feb-69 and to unit 003. MBS 10500 also converted to De‑Icing motor DS70273 17‑Sep‑69 and to unit 001.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Strathwood said:

If both coaches are with the porthole style of windows  and the doors arrangement you are limited to 002 and 003 and the ex 4-LAV units, just to plug the books a little further here is a clearer shot of 003 from Volume I. also used on the original MTK box.

Kevin

 

Is that photo of 003 one of John Scrace's, Kevin?

 

I recognise a very similar image in one of my IA combines, except it's cropped very tight. 

 

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1 hour ago, 4630 said:

 

Is that photo of 003 one of John Scrace's, Kevin?

 

I recognise a very similar image in one of my IA combines, except it's cropped very tight. 

 

Yes it is from John, he has taken some cracking images.

 

Kevin

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1 hour ago, Darius43 said:

You can plug away to your heart’s content, Kevin, but I won’t be buying your book.

You can't help some folk, it seems.

 

Kevin

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6 hours ago, dasatcopthorne said:

I've made 023 and have details of 022 & 023 if you ever get round to making a stores unit.

 

Dave.

 

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Now this is nice. What else have you built?

 

Kevin

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There's a thread about MTK kits on the collectable and Vintage forum further down the page.

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9 hours ago, Strathwood said:

You can't help some folk, it seems.

 

Kevin


It all depends how the help is offered, Kevin.   Most often on RMWeb I have found it to be genuine and friendly.  Other times, albeit rarely, it appears to be self-serving and arrogant.  As far as I am concerned your posts fall into the latter category.
 

Some folk are also polite enough to refer to me by name in their communication.

 

Darius

 

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9 hours ago, dasatcopthorne said:

I've made 023 and have details of 022 & 023 if you ever get round to making a stores unit.

 

Dave.

 

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Hi Dave,

 

Very nice indeed.  I have an MTK 2-HAL stores unit kit in the stash - at least I assume it is a 2-HAL...

 

Cheers

 

Darius

 

 

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11 hours ago, Strathwood said:

Now this is nice. What else have you built?

 

Kevin

 

Kevin.

 

I've made a few, many years ago but I don't want to hijack this thread any more.

 

Maybe I'll  start another subject.

 

Dave.

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1 hour ago, dasatcopthorne said:

 

Kevin.

 

I've made a few, many years ago but I don't want to hijack this thread any more.

 

Maybe I'll  start another subject.

 

Dave.


Dave,

 

Happy for you and anyone least to post pictures and stories of MTK/EMU kits on this thread.
 

What irked me (perhaps unreasonably) is someone trying to sell their products in the guise of being helpful.

 

Cheers

 

Darius

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Dave,

 

Wonderful stuff!!!

 

Your first photo (in b&w) reminds me of a layout based on Selhurst and East Croydon by Peter Moore, which was featured in a model railway book that I have had since the early 1980s.

 

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Cheers

 

Darius

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11 hours ago, Darius43 said:


It all depends how the help is offered, Kevin.   Most often on RMWeb I have found it to be genuine and friendly.  Other times, albeit rarely, it appears to be self-serving and arrogant.  As far as I am concerned your posts fall into the latter category.
 

Some folk are also polite enough to refer to me by name in their communication.

 

Darius

 

I think you will find that my response was trying to be helpful to you Darius and upon your openly ungracious opinion I shall change my attitude completely towards being of help to you ever again.

 

Kevin

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15 minutes ago, Strathwood said:

I think you will find that my response was trying to be helpful to you Darius and upon your openly ungracious opinion I shall change my attitude completely towards being of help to you ever again.

 

Kevin

 

OK.  I don’t think that’s going to change my life.

 

Cheers

 

Darius

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