CSD/CD/ZSR Daa Wagon

[D1023]

Does anyone know the purpose of these vehicles. Are they brake vans in the UK sense or more for staff accommodation ?

 

From my observations they are still quite prevalent in Czech Republic but seem less common in Slovakia although the photo is taken at Margecany (near Kosice) in 2018

 

Are they available in HO ?

 

[sncf231e]

It looks like a "güterzugbegleitwagen" (german). These were used for personnel (conductor and shunter) to accompany a freight train. Loose coupled freight trains were not normal in continental Europe but a car for personnel was used also in Germany, France and Japan (like a caboose in the USA). Wikipedia tells more (in German): https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begleitwagen.

 

I made an e-book on models of all types of these cars called "The end of the train". It can be seen or downloaded for free: http://sncf231e.nl/caboose/. I do not know whether a model of this Czech car is available.

 

Regards

Fred

 

Edited April 18, 2020 by sncf231e

[giz]

I took a couple of photos of one at Poprad Tatry last August (2019):

 

 

 

 

Edited September 20, 2023 by giz
Photos re-attached

[EddieB]

I don't know about being less prevalent in Slovakia, as all the posted examples (including mine) come from that country!  (Although, to be fair, I have visited Slovakia more in recent years.)  The photos are from August 2016.

 

First up is Daa-k 60 56 9304 029-3, in service at Podbrezova.  Note how the balcony end is coupled against the open wagon.

 

Here is Daa-k 60 56 9304 109-3 as preserved at Trnava, together with the very informative signage, noting that it was constructed at Ceska Lipa in 1955.  The vehicle has been modified with the addition of windows, presumably after purchase by the Railway Supporters' Club and used as their club room.

 

I don't know whether there are models available, but the sign includes a dimensioned drawing.

 

Finally, as Fred has mentioned similar German vehicles, here's a photo of one in preservation - Pwg 88-10-45 at Löbau (Ost Sächsische EF).  I've included it here because I have a Piko model dating from the 1970s!

[D1023]

Thanks for the info and posting the pics. Just to balance the books; here are a few in use in Czech..

 

Olomouc 13/2/17

Vyškov na Moravě 24/1/13

Kájov 13/6/13

Rybnik 14/6/13

[Fat Controller]

Given the presence of sliding doors on the side, I wonder if it could have been a 'Road Van', carrying parcels and sundries on lines which had stations which lacked facilities for these. I remember seeing a French version of this at Digne, in the Provencal Alps, in 1980, the vehicle having a set of scales, visible through the open door.

[dagrizz]

This example was at the north end of Breclav yard on 9th October 2018.

 

 

 

Graham

[JBr]

It is a service wagon, primarily designed for freight trains, it was used in both passenger and freight trains in the past. Train chief guard was sitting there, hence the protruding windows -- he used them to watch the tracks. It was also used for transport of oversized luggage. And on freight trains for transport of the train accompanying shunters.  This type (and similar ones) disappeared from passenger trains in early 1990s.

 

Wagons of this particular type are still used in manipulating freight trains (trains that gather wagons along some route to bring them to a cargo hub), albeit not everywhere. Nowadays many of such trains only have a loco and freight wagons and shunting worker is sitting in the loco together with the engineer, but in some areas this wagon is still used, especially if there is more than one shunting worker required.

 

You can find this wagon in two versions, Daa (or Ds till 1983) and Daa-k. The difference is in heating. Originally the Ds/Daa wagon was heated using steam from the steam loco or steam generator of a diesel loco. After steam locos were removed from service and electric heating was introduced in passenger wagons, many of the Daa wagons were equipped with coal stove and their designation was changed to Daa-k, where the k simply stands for "kamna" (stove in Czech).

[Neils WRX]

They are available in HO scale from ES Pecky. This is a Daa-k with stove.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Neil

[Neils WRX]

Seeing the pictures above I do need to paint the handrails on my model...

 

I’ll add it to the “to do list”.

[EddieB]

Straying off topic, I’ve Just noticed the photo up thread is of one of the hybrid conversions, class 218, at Rybnik.

 

Very nice!

[D1023]

Reviving this topic with a progress report. Last year I sourced the ES Pečky kit for this model from a model shop in Žilina. The kit was supplied without wheels, so I cannibalised as Roco Gbgs wagon to provide wheels and axle boxes/hangars. The kit was very simple to construct along with a few minor modifications to bring it up to date with the photos I had. Transfers are by Martin Model.

 

[Neils WRX]

Only just noticed my model has the extra windows...

 

Stay safe,

 

Neil

[roundhouse]

My one came ready assembled 2nd hand from Pragomodels in Prague a few years back after seeing one at Dobris so it was required when I built the layout.

I haven't blanked out the windows. There do seem to have been many variations on the windows.

 

Unfortunately I don't have a good shot of the model on the layout

[warbonnetuk]

My own Ds / Daa-K arrived via Germany today from LocoLab (http://www.locolab.cz/). As can be seen from the pictures this is a 3D printed resin kit with some very fine detailing and no 'groves' from the printing process. The kit also comes with as etched fret for the end railing and other detail, laser-cut glazing  and CD era decals.

 

I was most impressed with my dealing with Jakub from LocoLab (he will ship direct to the UK) and seeing the quality of the print I now quite fancy one of their Regio 814 + 914 units

[readingtype]

Something very steampunk about the 3D print. Definitely makes me see the component parts of a wagon in a new light.

[CloggyDog]

Also available in TT via the old (but still very usable) injection-moulded kit from LPH. Plus an etched detailing kit from Hekttor.