denv Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 I have just come across this one on the net , its a 09 gauge layout of a mine , but instead of the outside its the inside My link has anybody seen one before , and is there any produces of that scale , as i am thinking of making a layout of that scale . thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Time Workshop Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 Using 7mm scale on 9mm track is a very good if somewhat obscure scale/gauge combination. The vehicles end up a convenient size (around TT body size), but can use the sharpest of N gauge curves with prototypical accuracy. A typical terminal station can be modelled in 8' without any shortening, and massaged smaller without looking out of place. That is quite compact by 7mm standards! It is commonly used for 15" lines like the R&ER, RH&DR, Duffield Bank, Eaton Hall etc, although some mines were also of similar gauge (16" - 18" nominal) There is a modecum of trade support. My friend Owen Ryder created quite a range of R&ER kits (including various wagons that were suitable for a freelance mining context) in the early 1990s. These are now available from Howard Martin of the 7mm Narrow Gauge Association. I've done passenger stock kits, but that is more specific to modelling the R&ER and DBR. Hope this helps. Simon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan-Leeds Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 my link to my workbench and blog here im soley modelong a 09 railway redscar and whites railway[/url most of my stock is from the avalon line ranges with ecception to the locos they are scratch or kit built Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
denv Posted May 18, 2010 Author Share Posted May 18, 2010 hi Simon , Thats a great help , thank you so much . Using 7mm scale on 9mm track is a very good if somewhat obscure scale/gauge combination. The vehicles end up a convenient size (around TT body size), but can use the sharpest of N gauge curves with prototypical accuracy. A typical terminal station can be modelled in 8' without any shortening, and massaged smaller without looking out of place. That is quite compact by 7mm standards! It is commonly used for 15" lines like the R&ER, RH&DR, Duffield Bank, Eaton Hall etc, although some mines were also of similar gauge (16" - 18" nominal) There is a modecum of trade support. My friend Owen Ryder created quite a range of R&ER kits (including various wagons that were suitable for a freelance mining context) in the early 1990s. These are now available from Howard Martin of the 7mm Narrow Gauge Association. I've done passenger stock kits, but that is more specific to modelling the R&ER and DBR. Hope this helps. Simon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseman Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 hi the main suppiler for 09 in the uk is steve bennet www.pepper7.com my 09 layout weybred works can be seen here http://www.carendt.com/scrapbook/page44a/index.html its the one at the bottom!!! regards houseman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
denv Posted May 18, 2010 Author Share Posted May 18, 2010 thanks for that info , the layout looks great .....well done !!!!!! hi the main suppiler for 09 in the uk is steve bennet www.pepper7.com my 09 layout weybred works can be seen here http://www.carendt.com/scrapbook/page44a/index.html its the one at the bottom!!! regards houseman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Traxson Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 I have just come across this one on the net , its a 09 gauge layout of a mine , but instead of the outside its the inside My link has anybody seen one before , and is there any produces of that scale , as i am thinking of making a layout of that scale . thanks If you can get hold of a copy you may find "Going Minimum Gauge" published by the 7mm Narrow Gauge Association a useful guide to O9 modelling. Don't know where you are based but "Avalon Lines" who specialise in O9 kits will be at the Telford Narrow Gauge Show on Sunday 18th July more details of this can be found at ngtrains.com . Phil T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseman Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 If you can get hold of a copy you may find "Going Minimum Gauge" published by the 7mm Narrow Gauge Association a useful guide to O9 modelling. Don't know where you are based but "Avalon Lines" who specialise in O9 kits will be at the Telford Narrow Gauge Show on Sunday 18th July more details of this can be found at ngtrains.com . Phil T. avalon is available from steve bennets website some very good resin kits that uses ngauge rtr chassis www.pepper7.co.uk under the 0n30 page Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Time Workshop Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Avalon Lines is the brand the Howard uses. I find some of the resin kits a bit too whimsical as they are very much in the freelance camp, but the white metal 'Heywood' and etched brass 'Theakston' wagons are spot on. Don't worry if you've never tried either material for modelling. The brass body is a single fold up etch and the whitemetal can be glued. The advantage over resin is that they can be bent to represent the rough handling on a busy industrial railway. Weathered wagons that are still perfectly straight sometimes look a little odd. Simon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
millsie Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Im in the porocess of producing some kits for O9, just making the masters now, should be available soon here are some pics of the prototypes the artic set now has wheelsets, and is almost ready to be cast regards martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 It's almost like modelling an Underground layout underground - I love it! Very tempting if it wasn't for the fact I have more ideas than space already. Mind you, there's that 4x2 board spare and I can eat from a tray on the sofa rather than sitting at the table... I wonder if the Merstham Valley Railway will fit... I can't find a link for Avalon Lines anywhere - anyone have one to hand? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseman Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 It's almost like modelling an Underground layout underground - I love it! Very tempting if it wasn't for the fact I have more ideas than space already. Mind you, there's that 4x2 board spare and I can eat from a tray on the sofa rather than sitting at the table... I wonder if the Merstham Valley Railway will fit... I can't find a link for Avalon Lines anywhere - anyone have one to hand? i don,t think they have a website of their own but the full range is at www.pepper7.co.uk then enter then 0n30 and black dog and avalon are there i have also sucessfully regauged roy links wagons for use with 09 link here http://www.kbscale.com/WagonKits.htm my last layout was only 4FT x 1FT and it was a roundy roundy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Time Workshop Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 The Roy Link Hudson Rugga Skips regauge easily, but being plastic need some extra weight to keep them on the rails in the narrower gauge. I filled the skips with lead and them covered that with fine grit. My own preference would be whitemetal in this gauge, as they are far more stable. Owen Ryder did working, scale couplings for Heywood/Theakston/Muir Hill stock and these were much fussier with with lighter chassis. Simon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan-Leeds Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Hi simon I had the pleasure of building one of your kits for ICL one earlier in the year very good kit it was a pleasure to build Presently the Avalon/owen ryder theakston waggons are unavailable as there is some re jigging of the chassis going on i hope it hurrys up as i want a rake of 10 of the blighters for redscar along with a few of your duffield bank coaches. The thing that struck me with 09 is the detail and size of stock enables you to model a landscape not just a flat board . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Time Workshop Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Presently the Avalon/owen ryder theakston waggons are unavailable as there is some re jigging of the chassis going on ... The thing that struck me with 09 is the detail and size of stock enables you to model a landscape not just a flat board. I'll have a word with Howard to find the score on the Theakston wagons. When the came out in the early 1990s I thought they were one of the easiest wagons to assemble, and little room for improvement. I quite agree with regard to using the railway are the focus of the model, but not the entire model. Back in 1993/4 Owen and I made a model of Boot station (the only one to have closed during 15" days) and could comfortably get it in 8' length with plain track of the approach and delapidated mine with access road at the other end. This was with no shortening, as we'd done a site survey and wanted to do make the most of the scale. If I did it again I'd be tempted to use wider boards, although at the time we were limited by the dimensions of student transport when designing the boards. Going from 2' up to 2'6" would allow greater height to the scree backdrop and look amazing. Simon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan-Leeds Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Simon i have seen a photo of boot (allbeit a very small one) and it looks super My layout is currently 4 by 18 inches and is modeled on a curve to force perspective track layout based on ravenglass am looking at various ways of scaling down the old 3 Ft gauge goods shed from the photos that exist as the main feature of The station area then Possibly the next two Boards will be Based around Irton road/ Fisher ground i keep adding a board to get things in i hope eventually to be about 8' by 8' with a fair old selection of scenery . Based on ratty practice though mainly because I love the railway just a shame i cant get anything to scale for sans pareil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Time Workshop Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 I seriously toyed with building a model (and probably kit) of one of the Bassette Lowke engines, but looking at the then available Farish chassis options I found the boiler was not big enough to contain the motor, regardless of centre height! That somewhat shelved the project, which was a pity as we already had a rake of 4 wheel coaches and most photos of the rebuilt station at Boot show the BL pacifics, not the Heywood tanks. Simon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan-Leeds Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Well simon if you ever would like to come and help run redscar at a show your more than welcome have narrow gauge south west booked at the moment hopefully debuting next year or if i get on late this year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Just thinking here, as it's something I've never done before, would Farish N gauge Freightliner flats, with a Plasticard body, work as a 'sit and ride' wagon for O gauge figures? Would an N gauge loco then work as 'traction', using OO9 track? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mudmagnet Posted May 21, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2010 I built a small 09 layout some time ago and can be found on the link below - Bera Mine. The locos were made by Steve Bennett as mentioned above and run on Graham Farrish HST motor bogies. I have another layout, also built by Steve and when I get chance will get it our of storage and take some photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Time Workshop Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 If you've got the wagons in the scrap box and they are too far gone to be worth ebaying, then yes, it should work. N gauge wheels tend to be rather small for 09, but use what you've got. I wouldn't go out looking to buy them though, as they are presumably a similar price to an 09 wagon kit. With regard to using N gauge chassis, that's entirely what I've done. Look out for the Bachmann 'spectrum' US outline stuff. It's signifiacntly cheaper than UK outline and seems reasonable quality. The Ryder/Avalon Lady Wakefield are based on that chassis, as is my ICL no 1. 009 track is fine if buried to hide the sleepers. Otherwise, using copperclad isn't too painful for plain track. We cheated on Boot and re-sleepered Peco 009 points. Some of the sleepers are already the right sort of size, but a few need changing. It depends if planting weeds is easier than track making for you! Hope this helps, Simon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 I was thinking of simply mounting a plasticard body onto the frame, possibly using the existing "mounting pins" for containers if I can get them to fit, if not some low tack glue to hold it into place. I have an N gauge Freightliner 66 sitting here on my desk that I think would look quite nice, if slightly ironic, pulling some O gauge figures round some OO9 track on converted Frieightliner flats. Pity I can't get away with using N gauge track, I've got 2 boxes of the stuff... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Time Workshop Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Pity I can't get away with using N gauge track, I've got 2 boxes of the stuff... Why ever not? Dream up a location where the main scene is sleepers cast into concrete or cobbles, and any track is quite good enough. Just avoid the large radius points as they aren't tight enough for the scale! Simon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Why ever not? Dream up a location where the main scene is sleepers cast into concrete or cobbles, and any track is quite good enough. Just avoid the large radius points as they aren't tight enough for the scale! Simon. I was thinking more along the lines (pardon the pun) of a 'sit and ride' railway like the one at the Peco factory. I'm not sure I have the patience (or skill, for that matter) to make something that looks like a real mine. I suppose there's always the "Lincolnshire Potato Railways" book, I can't remember seeing a potato railway modelled before Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyC Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 This page on the Edinburgh & Lothians MRC site has details and photos of their 09 layout Boghall Mining & Quarry Co. Jeremy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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