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5 hours ago, John Tomlinson said:

These look great.

 

From memory the rebuilds were done at Horwich in the mid '70's and so were reasonably new at the time your layout is set, which is exactly how they look.

 

I've never had a problem with the Parkside door bangers either, so long as you glue them firmly to start with. I once did a rake of twenty of the 24t minerals - all those gusset plates drove me bonkers, but they do look the part when finished.

 

John.

 

Cheers! At least you didn't have to make the gusset plates yourself first!!! ;) 

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One more from me today. Whilst sorting out some of my minerals and hoppers and putting the completed 16 tonners back into storage, I took the opportunity to snap this pair of 1977 rebuilt 21t MDO's. I have 5 of these Parkside kits, and they have all been finished in a fairly ex-works condition, given that they would have only just been re-bodied in my operating period.

 

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22 hours ago, 37403 said:

Any pictures of the loco fleet? Every now and again I see a layout that grabs my attention...you got it lol

 

Oh go on then.... ;)

 

First up, the only 20's I have worked on so far are tatty green duo No's 20151 & 20177 of Toton. I must have done these about 5 - 6 years ago now, and these are one of my first attempts at airbrushing. At the time Bachmann still did not produce a green 20 with full yellow ends, so both of these were yellow end resprays. The reference photos used showed 20151 to be particularly filthy, but it could still be made out that one of the bodyside doors had been swapped from a blue example, which I've attempted to recreate here. 20177 was not as filthy, but a subtle attempt at aging the green has been made.

 

Incredibly, I gather around 25% of the class were still in this livery as of 1975, and there were certainly a few dozen left by 1977, mostly Toton based machines. The perfect excuse to have a few on Tupton Jn!

 

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Also from the English Electric stable, four of the five 37's to appear on the layout. 

 

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First up is a grubby Immingham allocated 37018 with domino's. 

 

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Next is March allocated 37101 with wonky zero's.

 

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Thornaby's 37163 is eager for a steel train to pull. 

 

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Finally, Tinsley based 37226 is seen with frost grilles still fitted. The other Tinsley 37 in the fleet is 37121.

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Now for the 44 fans. All are depicted in 1977 condition after losing their nameplates. 

 

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Former 'Helvellyn' No. 44002 with No.1 end (above) and No.2 end (below). Note the extra OHLE warning on the No. 2 end.

 

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44004, formerly 'Great Gable' with its single set of numbers, unusual for 44's. 

 

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44005, formerly 'Cross Fell' with the more usual single OHLE warning on the nose end doors. 

 

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44007, formerly 'Ingleborough' with its battered bodyside grilles. It's always a bit uncomfortable to start drilling and battering a model like this! But I think it looks the part.

 

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Former 'Snowdon', No. 44009 is seen with its class 45 style nose at the No. 1 end (above) and normal nose at the No. 2 end (below), as well as the unusual grilles also fitted to 44010. This was a fun chopping job, though I'm appreciative of the yellow end helping disguise the join between the new nose and the body! One of my favourites this one, but before anyone points out, I know the handrails on the No.1 cab need to be shorter as per cl. 45 style - it's on the to do list!!!

 

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44008 is also on the roster but not shown here, as this still requires further work. I have attempted to replicate the plated over doors on the nose end for this machine, photos to be uploaded eventually! 

 

 

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Some 45's now. There's still some further work to be done on these, for example the nose end grilles need updating to the later style, and I will probably invest in some Shawplan extras such as the lifting brackets between the bogies and body (same goes for the 44's).

 

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Cross-eyed 45/0 No. 45027 of Holbeck.

 

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Another 45/0 in the form of 45051 from Toton. 

 

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One of the Toton allocated 45/1's, No. 45104 'The Royal Warwickshire Fusiliers'. This started life as a Bachmann 46053, one of the earlier releases, so the absent nose cone seam had to be scribed on. The loco also needs correct size BR arrows as those on the early models were too small, as seen here. Some additional ETH equipment is required on the buffer beams, same for 45110 & 45135.

 

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45110, one of a handful of Toton 45's to receive numbers at both ends, as on class 44's. 

 

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45135 '3rd Carabiner', shortly before losing her split boxes to marker lights.

 

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23 minutes ago, 37403 said:

Absolutely class. Excellent weathering, really captured the look of the time.

Are you a scale coupling man? The three links are pains but look so much better than a big hook

 

Thank you! 

 

Good question, still not decided! For my passenger trains and block freights, I was definitely planning on keeping tension locks, with the trailing end of the last vehicle and leading end of the locomotive given full bufferbeam detail and screw couplings etc. They're fixed rake tail chasers around the layout with no shunts required, so there's really no need to do anything fancy between the vehicles that would make life more difficult.

 

Where I'm very tempted to go for scale couplings is for traffic using the exchange sidings, as I would prefer the wagons sat in the yard to not have tension locks on show. I'll see how it goes, it may be something I end up doing after living with the layout operating for a little while, which is still a very long way off! For now everything is tension locks, with wire hoops on loco's that need to be able to couple at both ends. 

 

Regards,

 

Cameron

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5 hours ago, Mophead45143 said:

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Im sure many will disagree with me, but I think a 45 in the above condition is the best looking diesel on BR!

 

Great work!

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The airbrush and extractor fan have come out to play after a long hibernation, currently set up out the way by the window in the spare room! Details and photos to follow shortly, but a couple of months ago I set about modifying my 47 fleet in order to bring them up to scratch, and ensure individual loco represented it's respective sub-classes. All that was left was weathering.

 

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47533 (above) and 47143 (below) are seen after reworking of the original weathering following modifications to roof and underframe details. 

 

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As well as tidying up previously weathered models, some pristine models were given the appropriate treatment. 47181 & 47462 are seen below shortly before weathering.

 

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15 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

With regard to the spray cabinet, I seal all the folding seams with masking tape, it's surprising how much paint comes out otherwise and deposits itself on unwanted surfaces!

 

Mike.

 

Good tip, I guess I've never had it set up anywhere long enough to think about it! But given that's actually in a room within the house at the moment, I will definitely do this before any more spraying takes place.

 

Cheers,

 

Cameron

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4 minutes ago, 37403 said:

Great to see an update.

Is construction of the boards likely to happen soon?

 

Currently the priority is making the garage weather proof before construction begins. I am in negotiations about getting the roof re-felted and re-tiled, which will hopefully allow the garage to 'breath' a bit better and aid any damp proofing. I would rather take time with this now than the build the layout and find loads of issues down the line. It'll be worth it as its a nice space to work in.

 

I hope to be in a position to start baseboard construction later this year. In the meantime, any modelling that I do I'll try and post updates with pictures on here. 

 

Cameron

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IMG_20200614_0002.jpg.8df046695c73a2c39747f86246b74d1d.jpgIMG_20200614_0001.jpg.2e31283994b12f5e55a5bef27f8a83ed.jpgIMG_20200614_0006.jpg.819b43de0e293965d3c667e101f652a1.jpgIMG_20200614_0003.jpg.6a643c74ce5a6359e4a125ecf56a08fb.jpgHello sir  Home sweet home for me the first two photos are of cause Tapton jct and the HST is racing towards clay cross jct at Tupton (photo taken from the bridge that accessed the PLANT  and the 47 is next to avenue carbo plant were i cut my spotting teeth from 1986 so i know the area very well your time frame is perfect for me Everone loves blue diesel) so will follow your development with great interest .

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Duff Diversity!

 

As I hinted before, I have recently done a lot of work on bringing my fleet of 9 x Bachmann 47's up to scratch. This will become 10 when Bachmann release their long overlooked 'banger blue' 47435 with domino's and serck grilles, one of the most common variants!!! That model will become Immingham based 47212.

 

The tale of the ultimate 47 in 4mm is certainly one of frustration! Even in 2020, all available models certainly divide opinion over which best captures the look of the class, and which faux pas are the least offensive! None are perfect. Even now, Heljan is re-tooling it's 47 in both O and 00 scales, and initial CAD's and EP's suggest this will have a whole host of new errors to deal with! 

 

For modelling unrefurbished 47's, you can either go down the route of super-detailing the old Hornby or Lima models, or use more recent examples from Bachmann or the infamous Heljan 'tubby' duffs. For me it was only going to be one of the latter, and while the slightly overweight Heljan model can look good in the right hands (P4 Mostyn & EM Gauge Hornsey Broadway layouts), for me I prefer the shape of the Bachmann model. 

 

Before we go any further, I must stress that these loco's are my interpretation of the 47. They will not be perfect, and while I have taken time to correct various errors to a standard I feel content with, there are others which I am happy to overlook. For the ultimate 47 in 4mm, I strongly suggest you visit the link below. This shows what can be done with the Bachmann 47 in the right hands.  

 

While I am content with the shape of the Bachmann model, the errors that were particularly prominent on earlier models would need addressing. The common errors are as follows:

 

- Rivets around the window frames (only affects the unrefurbished toolings).

- Class 57 style tanks / battery boxes (earlier models only).

- Class 57 pipe detail on bogies (earlier models only).

- Mold lines around cabs.

 

The latter I decided to live with, however the unwanted details would have to go. For the window frames, this was a simple job for a sharp knife followed by a touch up with a paint brush. The same applies to the bogie details. Replacement early style class 47 tanks are available from Bachmann as spares. The spares code is ASM5, and this topic is covered in: 

 

 

Blanking plates for various boiler types were supplied from Shawplan, and builders plates are the excellent 3D transfers from Railtec.  

 

47083

 

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First up is 47083 'Orion' of Cardiff Canton shed. This loco will feature mainly on NE - SW workings. This model actually started out life as a Limietd Edition of 1661 'Isambard Kingdom Brunel' in its earlier style of BR blue with arrows at both ends. This model was originally intended to be IKB in tops condition as 47484, however I need a model with a Clayton boiler to represent 47083, and this is the only one that had one. As 47484 was ETH and had its boiler blanked off by this point, I made the decision to swap the loco ID's around. 

 

This model was the only one with the correct tanks / battery boxes, and hence these did not need replacement. The model was also new enough to not have the incorrect bogie details, so minimal work required here. I would like to go over the roof again with the airbrush as its still a little light for the condition I'm trying to depict this loco in.

 

47143

 

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Another WR machine from Canton is 47143. This was originally purchased weathered on ebay, and the model had started life as 47148 with the three-piece grilles. Why on earth Bachmann chose a BR blue loco with these grilles I will never know, as it was such a rare combo even in the early blue days. They seem to like doing things like that...

 

Anyway, this loco has had replacement Serck grilles chopped off of an old Hornby body shell, with the original weathering blended in. All other mods as listed previously carried out to windows and underframe details.  The loco retains its spanner boiler as part of the Bachmann tooling.

 

47164

 

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This loco features earlier in this thread, albeit prior to weathering. The loco has now been given a bit more of an in service feel, while still being kept pretty clean by Stratford depot staff. Again, this model retains the correct Spanner boiler ports as featured on most Bachmann releases. This model came from the Bachmann 'Silver Jubilee' collectors pack, with a Jubilee steam locomotive (subsequently sold on). Unfortunately, while the bogies were correct, the underframe tanks / battery boxes were still of a class 57 style, so these needed to be replaced and the new ones painted silver.

 

47181

 

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More local motive power now, and its a light weathering for Tinsley based 47181, ready to work some MGR's. The model started off as an early Bachmann 47035, with its bizarre headcode arrangement of marker lights on a black panel, incorrectly classed as domino's! The advantage of this model is that it did have the correct Serck Grilles. The marker light glazing was removed and the plated headcode box filled in. The transfers for the wonky 0000's have been simply laid on top of the black paint. While I normally prefer these to be behind glazing for realism, in most cases on a layout you can't really tell from normal viewing angles. In fact, sometimes the thickness of plastic glazing can make the numerals appear to be set too far back, and hence make them actually look less realistic. Personal preference I suppose, I actually have a mixture of both methods.  Again, this loco is fitted with a Spanner boiler.

 

47328

 

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Toton based 47328 is another model which started off as a three-piece grilled 47148, and hence has had replacement Serck's added. Being a freight only 47/3, the loco has a patch over where the steam boiler port would normally be.

 

47356

 

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Another Toton based 47/3, this time one of the handful still in green during 1977, No. 47356. This model was purchased pre-weathered, but again I had to blend the weathering where modifications to the bogies and tanks / battery boxes were carried out. 

 

47462

 

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Now for a Holbeck 47/4. 47462 is one of the many Eastern region machines being turned out with the then new flush headcodes and marker lights. This model started off as a Bachmann 47404 'Hadrian'. The marker lights have been painted white rather than clear to suit those at the time. The Spanner boiler port on this ETH machine has been blanked off, courtesy of Shawplan / Extreme Etchings. 

 

47484

 

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One last Western region visitor, No. 47484 'Isambard Kingdom Brunel' of Landore shed. As I said at the beginning of this section, this model had its identity swapped with 47083 due to the latter needing a Clayton boiler. As 47484 is ETH, blanking plates have simply been added to the roof where the Clayton boiler would previously have been. This model actually started out life as a Bachmann green 1764, before being resprayed blue and weathered as 47083, then finally becoming 47484 as seen here. The nameplates are those supplied with the 1661 Ltd edition by Modelzone / Bachmann. 

 

47533

 

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Last but not least is Bescot allocated 47533. Another loco previously starting out life as an early Bachmann 47148, and hence this has also had replacement Serck grilles fitted. As an ETH machine, this loco is known to have dropped onto St Pancras - Sheffield workings at least once when a 45/1 was unavailable. This is something I will definitely be recreating. Most of the time however this loco will work NE - SW trains.

 

Hope this has provided some interest. Again, its hardly an expert guide to modelling 47's but at least gives some idea of what can be achieved by a novice like me!

 

Regards,

 

Cameron

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, vulcan product fan said:

IMG_20200614_0002.jpg.8df046695c73a2c39747f86246b74d1d.jpgIMG_20200614_0001.jpg.2e31283994b12f5e55a5bef27f8a83ed.jpgIMG_20200614_0006.jpg.819b43de0e293965d3c667e101f652a1.jpgIMG_20200614_0003.jpg.6a643c74ce5a6359e4a125ecf56a08fb.jpgHello sir  Home sweet home for me the first two photos are of cause Tapton jct and the HST is racing towards clay cross jct at Tupton (photo taken from the bridge that accessed the PLANT  and the 47 is next to avenue carbo plant were i cut my spotting teeth from 1986 so i know the area very well your time frame is perfect for me Everone loves blue diesel) so will follow your development with great interest .

 

Wonderful stuff! This layout is inspired by both locations, so while not being truly faithful to either, I hope it will at least capture some of the essence of the area!

 

Cameron 

 

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2 hours ago, Mophead45143 said:

started life as 47148 with the three-piece grilles. Why on earth Bachmann chose a BR blue loco with these grilles I will never know, as it was such a rare combo even in the early blue days. They seem to like doing things like that...

 

 

Hey, don't knock it, makes simpler job of recreating Tinsley's finest D1575!

 

Mike.

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1 hour ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

Hey, don't knock it, makes simpler job of recreating Tinsley's finest D1575!

 

Mike.

 

Bachmann did D1547 for that though, arrows in the right place and everything! You pre-tops modelers always get preferential treatment... :laugh_mini2:

 

Regards,

 

Cameron

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What a great layout idea, and a superb collection of stock too - Look forward to seeing this develop !

 

If you felt like sometimes running a Summer Saturday service, this would allow additional passenger trains behind normally freight-only locos; For example:

 

11 Jun 83 37132 on 0805 Chesterfield-Scarborough

25 Jun 83 47375 on the same train

09 Jul 83 37013 on the same train; 37169 on 1053 Weymouth-Bradford

30 Jul 83 47372 on 0732 Sheffield-Skegness

 

Good luck !      

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