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I saw a youtube video the other day & it featured an ex-LMS 7F (G2A) in 1964 still carrying LMS on its tender.

I would like to model it, but the video was not good enough to identify it. Does anyone have any deatils of example?

I am modelling Bedford c1960 & wondered what other classes (or even examples) I could realistically depict.

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Not saying it is this one, but the markings on the tender of 49430 here are in three parts:

 

https://railphotoprints.uk/p784251097/h1579D5B5#hb4cef2e

 

but not distinctly letters. Were the letters distinct in the video? 

 

I wonder if the letters were just chalked on. I've seen various things chalked on steam engines and tenders.

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42942 got a bit of over enthusiastic cleaning, rubbing through its BR logo and revealing its LMS letters in 1967...

 

https://www.anistr.com/media/1e073bb7-933a-450d-b9f3-7298e6795b09-steam-loco-crab-42942-goole

 

on a tangent Horwich LYR 0-6-0’s ran around with BR logo, but LMS numbers... 11305 was one example, not to carry 51305.. but the cab side numbers were BR style..


https://railphotoprints.uk/p730306914/h88456AEB#h88456aeb

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7 hours ago, adb968008 said:

 

On a tangent Horwich LYR 0-6-0’s ran around with BR logo, but LMS numbers... 11305 was one example, not to carry 51305.. but the cab side numbers were BR style..


https://railphotoprints.uk/p730306914/h88456AEB#h88456aeb

One of the works shunters? Several Barton Wright 0-6-0STs were retained following nominal withdrawal for internal use in the works. They were not as such BR service stock so didn't fall into the renumbering system, but retained their ex-LMS numbers to eventual and actually final withdrawal.

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8 hours ago, pH said:

Not saying it is this one, but the markings on the tender of 49430 here are in three parts:

 

https://railphotoprints.uk/p784251097/h1579D5B5#hb4cef2e

 

but not distinctly letters. Were the letters distinct in the video? 

 

I wonder if the letters were just chalked on. I've seen various things chalked on steam engines and tenders.

 

Yes they were. I was very surprised. You would think they would be completely obscured with dirt by that time, but apparently not. It appears just after 32.35.

It amuses me that the narrator says it was over 25 years after nationalisation. That would make it the 70s!

 

 

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There was a Johnson 2F at Monument Lane around 1960 on which at certain angles the old number on the cabside and LMS on the tender  were clearly visible. I'm sure a rag full of smokebox clag would have taken the paint back quite easily to show them up all of the time.  

 

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11 hours ago, adb968008 said:

42942 got a bit of over enthusiastic cleaning, rubbing through its BR logo and revealing its LMS letters in 1967...

 

https://www.anistr.com/media/1e073bb7-933a-450d-b9f3-7298e6795b09-steam-loco-crab-42942-goole

 

on a tangent Horwich LYR 0-6-0’s ran around with BR logo, but LMS numbers... 11305 was one example, not to carry 51305.. but the cab side numbers were BR style..


https://railphotoprints.uk/p730306914/h88456AEB#h88456aeb

The photo caption suggests that the L&Y number was carried throughout it's life, but obviously the 11305 was it's LMS number.

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14 hours ago, pH said:

Not saying it is this one, but the markings on the tender of 49430 here are in three parts:

 

https://railphotoprints.uk/p784251097/h1579D5B5#hb4cef2e

 

but not distinctly letters. Were the letters distinct in the video? 

 

I wonder if the letters were just chalked on. I've seen various things chalked on steam engines and tenders.

It was common to find tenders (and locos) where the letters had simply been painted over, and nothing else done. The presence of the yellow cab stripes definitely dates the photograph, but the surprise is that a tender should have survived for 15 years without having gone through works at some point.

 

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Another picture of the LMS tender on 42942 here, with a Blue & Grey mark 2... seems ELR wasnt the first time this combination was created after all.

 

(images are from flickr)

42942 Denbigh 24.9.66

 

42942 Rhuddlan 24.9.66

 

Though given how “clean” this is I doubted it lasted very long.

 

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The Super D is probably 48895:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/taffytank/45166879885

 

See the discussion in the comments about whether the "LMS" is painted or chalk.

 

(Edit to add- 48895 was allocated to Bushbury, where that part of the video was shot, from 1962 to late 1964. It was then transferred to Bescot and withdrawn from there a couple of months later along with the other last three members of the class.)

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19 hours ago, pH said:

Not saying it is this one, but the markings on the tender of 49430 here are in three parts:

 

https://railphotoprints.uk/p784251097/h1579D5B5#hb4cef2e

 

but not distinctly letters. Were the letters distinct in the video? 

 

I wonder if the letters were just chalked on. I've seen various things chalked on steam engines and tenders.

The caption says this was 3/63 but it didn't have cabstripe or LMS visible on photos taken 27/10/63 or 26/5/64. The yellow stripe didn't come in until the summer of 1964. 

When it took part in the SLS  Farewell to LNWR Locomotives railtour on 12/12/64 it had been well cleaned and had the cab stripe. No tender emblem is visible but there is a slight difference in shading of the paint where the LMS would have been.

All in all I would say that the picture was taken late in 1964 just before the SLS tour and was the result of being cleaned with a Brillo Pad.

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