JAMIE'S RANDOM UK RAILWAY PICTURES

[LMS2968]

Sorry, Jamie, but that first one was by Collett, No. 3205.

[jamie92208]

1 hour ago, LMS2968 said:

Sorry, Jamie, but that first one was by Collett, No. 3205.

It shows how little I know about Things GW. Thanks.  

 

Jamie

[LMS2968]

I know only because I had to fire the bloody thing when it was at the Severn Valley Railway!

[jamie92208]

I take it you don't like GW kettles then.  

 

Jamie

[LMS2968]

It wasn't, at that time, the most reliable of machines. I remember one day walking towards it, 3205 being smokebox on to me. The blower was hard on and we could make out the fireman - it wasn't me that day - taking anxious looks at the smoke being ejected high into the air as he simultaneously tried to raise the pressure and had the feed on to bring the water up to a reasonable level. I suggested that he should really have a look at the smokebox, from which water was pouring at a colossal rate. I can't remember how many tubes had burst, but it was a lot!

 

It's no longer on the SVR and it might now be a reformed character, but my memories of it are not good.

[woodenhead]

On 31/05/2020 at 21:58, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

An easy mistake to make, all LMS kettles look the same!

 

Mike.

They did once Stanierised, count the wheels and look for deflectors

• Is it a 4-6-2 with deflectors - It's a Duchess
• Is it a 4-6-2 without deflectors - It's a Princess
• Is it a 4-6-0 with deflectors on a crack express - it's a Scot
• Is it a 4-6-0 with deflectors on a secondary service - its's Patriot
• Is it a 4-6-0 without deflectors on a crack express - it's a Jubilee
• Is it a 4-6-0 and none of the above - it's a Black 5
• Is it a 2-6-0 that looks like a Black 5 - it's a Stanier Mogul
• Is it a 2-8-0 - It's an 8F

 

[The Johnster]

1 hour ago, LMS2968 said:

It wasn't, at that time, the most reliable of machines. I remember one day walking towards it, 3205 being smokebox on to me. The blower was hard on and we could make out the fireman - it wasn't me that day - taking anxious looks at the smoke being ejected high into the air as he simultaneously tried to raise the pressure and had the feed on to bring the water up to a reasonable level. I suggested that he should really have a look at the smokebox, from which water was pouring at a colossal rate. I can't remember how many tubes had burst, but it was a lot!

 

It's no longer on the SVR and it might now be a reformed character, but my memories of it are not good.

It always seemed to be leaking around the cylinder block and valve chests, as if it had a bad cold.  It was indeed a reformed character when I rode behind it a few years back on the Bluebell.

[LMS2968]

1 hour ago, woodenhead said:

They did once Stanierised, count the wheels and look for deflectors

• Is it a 4-6-2 with deflectors - It's a Duchess
• Is it a 4-6-2 without deflectors - It's a Princess
• Is it a 4-6-0 with deflectors on a crack express - it's a Scot
• Is it a 4-6-0 with deflectors on a secondary service - its's Patriot
• Is it a 4-6-0 without deflectors on a crack express - it's a Jubilee
• Is it a 4-6-0 and none of the above - it's a Black 5
• Is it a 2-6-0 that looks like a Black 5 - it's a Stanier Mogul
• Is it a 2-8-0 - It's an 8F

 

Just one correction, mate, the Black Five looks like a Stanier Mogul. Wrong way around, I'm afraid, but you do need to get the order right!

[JeffP]

And what of the two Jubes with deflectors?

[jamie92208]

People are obviously getting bored, so as this years cherry brandy has now been laid down after a picking session this afternoon, (It's a hard life but someone's got to  do it) we better continue with the Rainhill Cavalcade.   After the Gresley 3 cylinder locos came one of my favourite 3 cylinder ones.

I even think that they look better as rebuilds than their brilliant originals.  This is because I spent two very happy Sundays working on Clan Line at Longmoor in August 68.

Since then I have always had a soft spot for them.  Next along came some more Stanier magnificence in the proper colour in the shape of a Lizzie.

Lovely looking locos.

But then the greatest of them all.  I fist saw these in action near Dillicar in the summer of 1960 whilst having a picnic where the M6 is now.  3 of them in the space of 20 minutes.

They made such an impression on me that I've go a 7mm one to build sitting in a box in the shed. Having found my late father's trainspotting diaries they probably got into my blood when he pushed me in my pram alongside the line near Carlisle castle when I was  only a few months old.

The Duchess was followed by a 2-6-4 Tank.  I always thought that these were very business like looking locos.

And the last of the kettles, a 9F.  As you can probably tell from my screen name I have a fondness for them. 92208 was the only main line loco I ever rode on.  From Blea Moor to Settle in 1966. 

That's it for tonight but what a feast of eye candy.  Just as an aside I've been scanning a load of slides from the late 80's over the last couple of days and have found loads of French locos.   I'm wondering whether to start another couple of threads, One for North American trains and another for European ones.  The other option would be to keep this one going for a long long time.  Answers on a postcard please.

 

Jamie

 

Edited August 1, 2022 by jamie92208

[pH]

12 hours ago, woodenhead said:

They did once Stanierised, count the wheels and look for deflectors

• Is it a 4-6-2 with deflectors - It's a Duchess
• Is it a 4-6-2 without deflectors - It's a Princess
• Is it a 4-6-0 with deflectors on a crack express - it's a Scot
• Is it a 4-6-0 with deflectors on a secondary service - its's Patriot
• Is it a 4-6-0 without deflectors on a crack express - it's a Jubilee
• Is it a 4-6-0 and none of the above - it's a Black 5
• Is it a 2-6-0 that looks like a Black 5 - it's a Stanier Mogul
• Is it a 2-8-0 - It's an 8F

 

And what about the ones without tenders?

[Enterprisingwestern]

 

I'd spread the slides into self contained threads, then we can pick and choose which ones we like, a la David Ford.

 

Mike.

[caradoc]

On 29/05/2020 at 11:08, lmsforever said:

, My computer fought back on my last post ,it was Gadafi,s palace in Lybia and I was able to look in the cockpit of the spy plane.Spent a couple of hours in the squadron centre and learnt how the planes were dispatched and met pilots even looked in the cockpit of bomber great day out.

 

I visited Upper Heyford with my Scout group in its heyday, in the mid-70s; The place was run as a self-contained American town, with shops selling US goods and payment in dollars ! I wonder if some of the Americans there ever left the base, and if there were any tragic events such as the Harry Dunn road accident ? And nowadays it is a car storage facility.......

 

[lmsforever]

We made good friends with a couple through American Square Dancing and are still in regular contacr with them in the states .The local square dance club had many amrican as well as english members many of the staff lived off base dont know of many accidents different world then and Croughton different people to the base.Good days 

[The Stationmaster]

6 hours ago, caradoc said:

 

I visited Upper Heyford with my Scout group in its heyday, in the mid-70s; The place was run as a self-contained American town, with shops selling US goods and payment in dollars ! I wonder if some of the Americans there ever left the base, and if there were any tragic events such as the Harry Dunn road accident ? And nowadays it is a car storage facility.......

 

A US Air Force chap used to live in a rented house across teh road from us and he was amember of base staff at greenham Common back in the days when it was a USAF bomber base -  so he had a drive of over 20 miles to work every day.

 

Upper Heyford is a lot more than car storage facility as there are quite a lot of companies based there, I went there for my (second) speed awareness course.

[5050]

On 03/06/2020 at 10:28, jamie92208 said:

It shows how little I know about Things GW. Thanks.  

 

Jamie

I don't know!  What yer like!  I taught you all I know about the GWR but you still know 'nowt!

[LMS2968]

Didn't someone say something about all LMS engines looking alike . . .?

[Chris Turnbull]

8 hours ago, caradoc said:

I wonder if some of the Americans there ever left the base, and if there were any tragic events such as the Harry Dunn road accident ? 

 

.Our future son-in-law lived off base when he was at RAF Mildenhall many years ago.  He met our daughter, they got married, and then went to Ellsworth AFB in South Dakota where they lived on base.  Upon their return to the UK, by that time with two children, they bought a house on the other side of the road to my wife and I.  He retired a few years after his return but they still live opposite us.  I think the convenience of child-care facilities has something to do with it!

 

Chris Turnbull  

[jamie92208]

Good evening all, we are now getting away from kettles and into areas that generate much froth in some corners of RMWeb so I better be careful, namely diseasals. First of all along came a twin engine machine in a very nice maroon livery. I believe that some of them were even built at Crewe. One of the best looking diesel designs a Western.

Followed by something in yellow. perhaps the diesel had spread the tracks and they needed a tamper.

Then a rat with some freight in tow.

Followed by a rather nice Peak.

And then one of the ubiquitous 47's. I believe the car carrier was a prototype from Procor.

And finally an iconic Deltic.  Sorry about the muck on the slide.  I'll re scan it in due course.

As to what it was pulling all will be revealed...…...

 

Tomorrow.

 

Jamie

Edited August 1, 2022 by jamie92208

[jamie92208]

Evening all.   It's a bit rainy and windy down here but I have got some more pictures scanned.  However our Tardis is still parked at Rainhill in August 1980. The Deltic was pulling this an 86/2, I think this is one of the ones with flexicoil suspension to try and lower the amount of track damage at speed. Ironically nowadays it wouldn't have needed to be hauled as the route is wired.

 

The26020 which we last saw in Doncaster works as 76020. It looks better in black.

Never fear there are some more 76's to come once we finish at Rainhill.

Then 40106.  Not my favourite class and they couldn't match a pacific in good nick.

Followed by a short formed HST set.

Then the future as we knew it then, the APT.

 

But being pushed by a 56.

That's nearly all from Rainhill and that's it for tonight folks.

 

Jamie

Edited August 1, 2022 by jamie92208

[Chris Turnbull]

9 hours ago, jamie92208 said:

Then 40106.  Not my favourite class and they couldn't match a pacific in good nick.

 

They couldn't match other type 4s either.  I remember travelling  southwards over Shap on two consecutive days at the end of '67.  On the first day I had an EE type 4 (as they were then) and on the second a Brush type 4 (class 47).  I crawled over with the former and shot over with the latter.

 

Chris Turnbull

[Joseph_Pestell]

25 minutes ago, Chris Turnbull said:

 

They couldn't match other type 4s either.  I remember travelling  southwards over Shap on two consecutive days at the end of '67.  On the first day I had an EE type 4 (as they were then) and on the second a Brush type 4 (class 47).  I crawled over with the former and shot over with the latter.

 

Chris Turnbull

500hp less and more of their own weight to pull. You would not expect it to perform as well given the same weight of train.

 

40 years on and that HST has come full circle. Now a full length set with some operators.

Edited June 6, 2020 by Joseph_Pestell

[jamie92208]

Yes the class 40, IIRC 176 tons with just 2000 hp.  Marginally better than a pacific on a bad day, but no match for a duchess in good order. I also hated them because they replaced my beloved 9F's on the Long Meg anhydrite trains.

 

Jamie

[LMS2968]

I think the 40s weighed at 134 tons for 2000hp of which about 1600hp reached the rails. It was later found that the Stanier Pacifics were producing about 2100 i.h.p. in parts just to maintain the schedule, with a higher proportion at the rail, and more when making up time so the 40s well dawn on power.

 

There was a story in BRILL many years ago of a visit to Vulcan Foundry by the German engineer responsible for the design of that country's V200 class, from which the WR Warships were developed. He saw this massive diesel under construction and was impressed by its sheer size. "How long is it?" he asked. They told him. "What weight is it?" They told him. "What is the power output?" he enquired, expecting something in the 3000 range. "2000 hp," he was told. A look of incredulity crossed his face, he shook his head and muttered, "Mein Gott!" And forever after, the 40s were know at Vulcan as the 'Mein Gotts'!

[The Pilotman]

One of Thursday’s pictures shows a motorail wagon with a protective metal cage fitted. I’ve never seen one of those before so I presume their use was not widespread.