RMweb Gold JustinDean Posted April 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 12, 2021 38 minutes ago, billbedford said: I think 0.3mm brass etch would be massively over-scale for the body work. Thanks Bill. Probably makes a 3D print out the question then! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted April 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, billbedford said: I think 0.3mm brass etch would be massively over-scale for the body work. 44 minutes ago, JustinDean said: Thanks Bill. Probably makes a 3D print out the question then! It's always going to be a compromise modelling in 4mm, I would guess that very few rolling stock models, even brass etch, have scale thickness sides, and Parkside and so on plastic wagons are massively overscale, but it's something you have to accept. There are thousands of 16 tonners pottering round hundreds of layouts, with scale 8 inch thick armour-plated sides, but people don't give up or stop using them. Al. Edited April 12, 2021 by Alister_G 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlepeak Posted April 12, 2021 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 I think etched it probably will be, but from my previous experience, the gestation period for such things can be quite long, including one or two test etch iterations courtesy of my good friends at PPD. First step is probably to get some design tips from other experts, starting with the acquisition of a couple of Justin Newitt's well respected creations. The Grampus detailing kit is probably the first port of call! Don't wait up for further progress on the Gannet, but I'll keep you posted! Geraint 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portchullin Tatty Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 7 hours ago, JustinDean said: Any idea approximately what the scale thickness of those sides would be? Figuring out if this is beyond the limitation of 3D print is what I’m working on at the moment. My guess (and it is only a guess) is that they will have used 3/16ths inch thick steel sheet, possibly 1/4th. That scales down to 0.1mm. Obviously a compromise will be required and the comments about the Parkside minerals are all agreed, but etching is the place to start. Geriant, if I unearth anything I will let you know offline. Mark 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted April 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 13, 2021 8 hours ago, Portchullin Tatty said: My guess (and it is only a guess) is that they will have used 3/16ths inch thick steel sheet, possibly 1/4th. That scales down to 0.1mm. It's actually a tad worse than that, it would scale out at a couple of microns over 0.08mm. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted April 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 13, 2021 13 hours ago, Middlepeak said: I think etched it probably will be, but from my previous experience, the gestation period for such things can be quite long, including one or two test etch iterations courtesy of my good friends at PPD. First step is probably to get some design tips from other experts, starting with the acquisition of a couple of Justin Newitt's well respected creations. The Grampus detailing kit is probably the first port of call! Don't wait up for further progress on the Gannet, but I'll keep you posted! Geraint Not that I am any good at this kit designing lark, but I've always thought that the way to go for thin metal wagon sides is to 3D print the framing for builders to stick onto a thin sheet of brass/plastic/whatever to maintain a degree of finesse. Maybe that is a possibility for you? Mike. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlepeak Posted April 13, 2021 Author Share Posted April 13, 2021 9 hours ago, Portchullin Tatty said: Geriant, if I unearth anything I will let you know offline. Thanks Mark. G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterfgf Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 On 18/02/2021 at 17:02, Middlepeak said: Very little about trains in this post I'm afraid, but at a time when I'm beginning to think more about the landscape around Friden and on the layout, along comes an old friend and former Buxton resident with a recommendation for some bedtime reading. This is very much a geographer's book, written by a professional archaeologist with long standing links to the Peak District National Park. What you get is a very authoritative but well written book, with a huge number of photos and maps to illustrate the subject. I'm barely a quarter of the way through the 200 plus pages, but there's already lots of useful background about villages, field systems and the fundamental differences in landscape between the White Peak and the Dark Peak. £30 well spent, for me at least! More railway next time - I promise! G Excellent book. Peterfgf 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted April 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 13, 2021 On 11/04/2021 at 21:35, Alister_G said: Ooh, look, a more recent one on that service: 57. YHA 321J: Silver Service, Darley Dale by Richard Simons, on Flickr Al. My gran lived in Middleton and we often used SS buses to visit Matlock when I stayed with her most school hols in the 60/70s so the buses were not as old or as modern as @Alister_Gs photos. But they were old! Mainly half cabs. Their silver livery was striking against Hulleys red and cream. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlepeak Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 Apologies for the deafening silence of late, but my wife has just endured another two weeks in hospital, and the daily round of visits as a carer has taken its toll on my modelling time, and to a degree on my sanity! Back to the workshop now though, and a start has been made on the bridge over the Youlgreave road. Various close up photos have shown that the stonework is formed of various "patches" comprising stones of different sizes. I wanted to capture this on the model, so I'm working on it course by course and stone by stone, using various sizes of Evergreen strip in 40 thou thickness. The stones are then distressed with an engraving tool and cleaned off with a fibreglass brush. A long job, but quite relaxing, and I'm enjoying it, which is all that counts!! 2 1 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted June 15, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 15, 2021 The stonework looks really good and the technique reminds me of how the London P4 Group dressed the station building stonework on Heckmondwike in the 1970s. Is it that long ago? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlepeak Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 I'm afraid it is Jonathan, but testimony to the fact that some of the old techniques are as good as ever! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curlew Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 This is a useful book re Silver Service buses https://www.mdsbooks.co.uk/vpl/super-prestige-38-derbyshire-independents.html It has several excellent colour images as well as other useful fleet information. Out of print but still available if you search for it, I think. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlepeak Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 Thanks Curlew. I'll keep an eye open for that. G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JustinDean Posted June 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 16, 2021 Lovely to see some progress and sorry to hear about your wife Geraint. I’ve been looking forward to seeing how you tackle this bridge. By the way - did that tender arrive in one piece? Jay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlepeak Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 Jay, Sorry, forgot to acknowledge safe arrival. Looks like a workable solution. Just pondering over suspension arrangements! I have also paid my dues to the NRM, so hopefully the Gannet drawings will arrive soon. Unfortunately the hospital stay meant that I had to cancel a proposed visit to Friden, with a night at the nearby Jug & Glass. Later in the summer, maybe. G 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JustinDean Posted June 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 18, 2021 On 16/06/2021 at 22:37, Middlepeak said: Jay, Sorry, forgot to acknowledge safe arrival. Looks like a workable solution. Just pondering over suspension arrangements! I have also paid my dues to the NRM, so hopefully the Gannet drawings will arrive soon. Unfortunately the hospital stay meant that I had to cancel a proposed visit to Friden, with a night at the nearby Jug & Glass. Later in the summer, maybe. G It’s going to be a bit of work to get a decent model out of it but I think the basis is there. Let me know if you’re planning to head up this way! Jay 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlepeak Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 A bit more stonemasonry has taken place on the bridge over the road to Youlgreave. With the parapet and capping now complete (thanks to local boy Jay for going out to take measurements for me), all that remains is to complete the voussoir stones and the remainder of the courses up to the string course. You might be able to spot that the side walls to the arch have been fashioned from Wills sheet, which is perfectly acceptable for the limited view that will result. I've yet to complete the underside of the arch, and I suspect that again no detail will be required here for the simple reason that you can't see it! Similarly the only detail that will be required on the far portal will be the parapet stonework, as the rest will face away from the viewer and the road at that point is largely hidden in trees. One thing I didn't bargain for is that because the road slopes downwards towards the bridge on both sides, it's actually very difficult to slide the completed arch in from the front. The various pieces will therefore have to be painted and weathered away from the layout and assembled on site, feeding them in from either side of the track bed. Doubtless that will require a whole weekend possession! More when it's painted .... Geraint 6 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted July 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2021 Your masonry is sublime, it's going to look so good. Al. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JustinDean Posted July 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2021 41 minutes ago, Middlepeak said: A bit more stonemasonry has taken place on the bridge over the road to Youlgreave. With the parapet and capping now complete (thanks to local boy Jay for going out to take measurements for me), all that remains is to complete the voussoir stones and the remainder of the courses up to the string course. You might be able to spot that the side walls to the arch have been fashioned from Wills sheet, which is perfectly acceptable for the limited view that will result. I've yet to complete the underside of the arch, and I suspect that again no detail will be required here for the simple reason that you can't see it! Similarly the only detail that will be required on the far portal will be the parapet stonework, as the rest will face away from the viewer and the road at that point is largely hidden in trees. One thing I didn't bargain for is that because the road slopes downwards towards the bridge on both sides, it's actually very difficult to slide the completed arch in from the front. The various pieces will therefore have to be painted and weathered away from the layout and assembled on site, feeding them in from either side of the track bed. Doubtless that will require a whole weekend possession! More when it's painted .... Geraint Looking good Geraint and nice to see you back here! Jay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted July 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2021 Wish I had a pound for every time I've been under that bridge. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlepeak Posted August 2, 2021 Author Share Posted August 2, 2021 Another plea for assistance! I have decided that one of the possible operational moves for Friden would be for a main line loco to arrive with an engineer's inspection saloon and for the staff concerned to change vehicles to a Wickham Trolley for their trip further towards Middleton. There is photographic evidence to suggest that this maybe did take place. Looking through my photo collection, I found a shot of Longcliffe yard (part of which is cruelly enlarged below), which shows a platelayers' hut that was used as a shed for a trolley, so I thought that for the purposes of my layout I would relocate it to Friden. The problem is that the photo is insufficiently detailed to allow anything other than a cursory scale up of the side elevation for modelling. The roof looks as though it's fashioned from corrugated panels, but the construction of the walls is unclear. The question is therefore - does anyone have any other photos of this hut, or for that matter anything similar at any other point on the BR network? Of course a drawing of same would be wonderful, but one can't afford to raise hopes too much! Cheers, Geraint 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JustinDean Posted August 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) I’ll have a look through the collection when I get back home next week as I have a fair amount of Longcliffe photos - I’m currently in Cornwall. Hope you’re keeping well Geraint? Jay Edited August 3, 2021 by JustinDean 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted August 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2021 13 hours ago, Middlepeak said: The question is therefore - does anyone have any other photos of this hut, or for that matter anything similar at any other point on the BR network? Hi Geraint, I found this photo of two such sheds. I have no idea where they are, except that they are somewhere on the BR network. Neither of them are the same as the Longcliffe one, but they both look to be timber clad. Hopefully that will give you some ideas? Al. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlepeak Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 Thanks Al, that's a big help. Geraint Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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