TomScrut Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 5 hours ago, classy52 said: I'm sure AS/Rails or someone else can confirm but absolutely a no-brainer to do today's preserved prototype, I'll be definitely getting one if the project goes ahead. I agree, in fairness I'd probably have IC swallow and plead ignorance about subtle differences but an as preserved one would be the ideal. Would the buyers wanting one from the late 80s/early 90s get hung up on Swallow Vs Mainline/Executive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted July 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 15, 2020 3 hours ago, TomScrut said: I agree, in fairness I'd probably have IC swallow and plead ignorance about subtle differences but an as preserved one would be the ideal. Would the buyers wanting one from the late 80s/early 90s get hung up on Swallow Vs Mainline/Executive? if done right, Intercity Swallow now should only be marginally different to before... Though back in the 1990’s it did appear with white walled wheels and quartered buffers for a while and looked stunning. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 10 hours ago, newbryford said: Errrr - I thought it was already on the intended list? (Albeit the current version would have the more modern OLE flashes) Mentioned in the OP. Scroll down this page: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf5E3oHzS4SRlWqFg9rPgJyoArkOf2Yo6uz2hgK_0vWliUwPg/viewform Aren't the flashes the same size & can therefore be completely covered by a transfer? That would not be as involved as a complete repaint or even having to rub off numbers. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stationroad Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 The jumper cables on the front would be the other difference. Perhaps the current day version could acquire some fake ones, ala 87002 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Pete the Elaner said: Aren't the flashes the same size & can therefore be completely covered by a transfer? That would not be as involved as a complete repaint or even having to rub off numbers. Ssshhh..... That may involve doing some modelling thing other than opening the box. 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterCity80s Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Is the preserved 89001 going to be named Avocet? Can't see from that photo whether it's named. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2020 40 minutes ago, InterCity80s said: Is the preserved 89001 going to be named Avocet? Phoenix would be more appropriate now! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterCity80s Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Can't have that; it would clash with my Class 86 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 On 15/07/2020 at 19:32, TomScrut said: Would the buyers wanting one from the late 80s/early 90s get hung up on Swallow Vs Mainline/Executive? Not sure what you mean by this? If you mean, would they settle for Swallow in place of Mainline/Executive then in this case, definitely not! Guy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, lyneux said: Not sure what you mean by this? If you mean, would they settle for Swallow in place of Mainline/Executive then in this case, definitely not! Guy I meant the opposite actually. As swallow and mainline/executive are being done, if the only swallow one was the current version, the choice would be for late 80s/early 90s of having a slightly inaccurate swallow or the accurate alternative of around the same time period. I aren't saying it doesn't matter just asking the question out of interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted July 17, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 17, 2020 12 hours ago, TomScrut said: I meant the opposite actually. As swallow and mainline/executive are being done, if the only swallow one was the current version, the choice would be for late 80s/early 90s of having a slightly inaccurate swallow or the accurate alternative of around the same time period. I aren't saying it doesn't matter just asking the question out of interest. I think 1990’s. the current livery shouldn’t be that far from the truth though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted July 17, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 17, 2020 I think Toton have done a awesome job on the paintwork but I have to ask, has the ACLG any plans in the future to put it under the wires and under power to see if “it lives” or turns into “Puff the magic dragon” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 7 hours ago, adb968008 said: I think 1990’s. the current livery shouldn’t be that far from the truth though. I think a current one would probably sell well though, although if the livery application is identical (which we don't know yet AFAIK) then maybe the jumpers, nameplate etc. could be dealt with in the detailing pack perhaps? Just a thought. The OHLE flashes will be a bit more subtle than the other things I think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 18, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 18, 2020 “OHLE flashes” Maybe they could look at scratch card technology and put the modern ones on top so you scratch them off for the original or let ‘natural scuffing’ reveal old ones beneath (yes I know it’s had a full repaint) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted July 18, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 18, 2020 1 hour ago, PaulRhB said: “OHLE flashes” Maybe they could look at scratch card technology and put the modern ones on top so you scratch them off for the original or let ‘natural scuffing’ reveal old ones beneath (yes I know it’s had a full repaint) What do you win if you find all matching ones underneath? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted July 18, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, TomScrut said: I think a current one would probably sell well though, although if the livery application is identical (which we don't know yet AFAIK) then maybe the jumpers, nameplate etc. could be dealt with in the detailing pack perhaps? Just a thought. The OHLE flashes will be a bit more subtle than the other things I think? probably, but it’s not yet run, so demand won’t be as high until it has some mileage behind it... even then, what mileage that will be..and what type of work... theres already 31x high speed AC Electrics going spare. I’m still interested to see what plan is behind the investment spent on 89001, that made disposing of 86101/87002 more sense to do. Edited July 18, 2020 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 18, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, adb968008 said: that made disposing of 86101/87002 more sense to do I guess the other locos have higher commercial resale value because they aren’t unique so useful as a source of spares or to be used with the larger spares pool available? 1 hour ago, Bucoops said: What do you win if you find all matching ones underneath Scratch n sniff! OHLE signs underneath with a gentle smell of burnt carbon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, adb968008 said: I’m still interested to see what plan is behind the investment spent on 89001 I can't help but think that it must be to do with charters, otherwise why go to the trouble of restoring a hard to service one off loco? As you say its not like LNER 20 years ago. It is also more powerful than an 86, 87 or 90 though so haulage capacity may be greater for goods work? 86, 87s and 90s have a slightly higher tractive effort so I'd expect they could get a heavier train moving but that doesn't really indicate performance at speed where power is more important. Edited July 18, 2020 by TomScrut 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted July 18, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 18, 2020 7 hours ago, adb968008 said: probably, but it’s not yet run, so demand won’t be as high until it has some mileage behind it... even then, what mileage that will be..and what type of work... theres already 31x high speed AC Electrics going spare. I’m still interested to see what plan is behind the investment spent on 89001, that made disposing of 86101/87002 more sense to do. Has it been GSMR fitted? Not seen any mention. Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 18, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Roy Langridge said: Has it been GSMR fitted? Not seen any mention. Roy It’s in the presentation linked above along with all the other work to do. NRN to be removed and then GSMR fitted. Edited July 18, 2020 by PaulRhB 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) What is the usual time period for an EOI before a go/no-go announcement is made? Edited July 30, 2020 by classy52 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 minute ago, classy52 said: What is the usual time period for an EOI before a go/no-go announcement is made? Depends on manufacturer. Revolution stick to a period of a few months. Whereas KR Models have kept the one for their N gauge GT3 open since the announcement. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, Pre Grouping fan said: Depends on manufacturer. Revolution stick to a period of a few months. Whereas KR Models have kept the one for their N gauge GT3 open since the announcement. Ok ta, would assume the EOI for this Class 89 would probably go on for a while longer or until the minimum goal is reached thus whichever comes first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted July 31, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2020 On 30/07/2020 at 14:41, Pre Grouping fan said: Depends on manufacturer. Revolution stick to a period of a few months. Whereas KR Models have kept the one for their N gauge GT3 open since the announcement. On 30/07/2020 at 15:00, classy52 said: Ok ta, would assume the EOI for this Class 89 would probably go on for a while longer or until the minimum goal is reached thus whichever comes first. the longer it goes, the less good the signs are. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 15 minutes ago, adb968008 said: the longer it goes, the less good the signs are. Yes agreed there is that, would be a shame if it doesn't go ahead as I would fancy one as preserved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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