Can anyone identify this Private Owner wagon from New Barnet running in 1937?

[Rail-Online]

This is part of a neg of an Up coal train in 1937 from New England bound for Hornsey on the GNR main line.

 

The first wagon is from an operator I have never heard of - can anyone read the name?

 

Behind the ex GER open is a rake of 6 Rothervale wagons

 

Cheers Tony

[Bucoops]

It *looks* like F.C. MOULAIN & Co New Barnet but could easily be totally wrong!

[JohnR]

I think the name starts Mc (superscript c) if that helps?

[Wickham Green too]

1 hour ago, Lantavian said:

I hope this helps.

 

If that's No.20 it MIGHT imply the guy replaced his previous wagon - if there was one - in 1920 ...... certainly not post 1923. The body construction looks fairly modern but block door bumpers a little antiquated - interesting buffers !

Must admit - with the photo stretched like that I'd expect to see tension lock couplings to match the 'steamroller' wheels - or even N-gauge ones !

Edited May 24, 2020 by Wickham Green too

[Rail-Online]

You guys are brilliant!  Many thanks, I was really surprised what a difference stretching the wagon made to the livery - a clever 'trick'.

 

Cheers Tony

[Bucoops]

3 hours ago, Bucoops said:

It *looks* like F.C. MOULAIN & Co New Barnet but could easily be totally wrong!

 

I was well out then

[Wheatley]

2 hours ago, Wickham Green too said:

interesting buffers !

Same pattern as some GNoS wagons, I don't know if it was their design or bought in. 

[Compound2632]

The fact that the lettering doesn't sit on the bottom of a plank suggests that it is shaded black, in which case the body colour is not black but whether grey or red is anybody's guess. It's certainly pre-1923 with its grease axleboxes and individualistic body style. There was no great consistency in appearance even of wagons built to the 1907 specification, let alone the original RCH 1887 spec - those Rothervale wagons are all different. I've had sight of a transcript of the Midland Railway PO wagon registers from 1887 up to the late 1890s: between 1890 and 1896, the Rothervale Co. registered 625 wagons with the Midland Railway, all of 10 ton capacity but from three different builders - Harrison & Camm, Birmingham RC&W Co., and Cravens. They may well have had further wagons registered with the Great Northern or MS&L / GC. I don't know whether the Great Northern registers have survived - given the New Barnet address, McQuilkin's wagon(s) could well have been registered with that company. 

[Rail-Online]

If people are interested here is the rake of Rothervale wagons, they certainly ride at different heights and angles (the track looks superb)! 

 

Cheers Tony

Edited May 27, 2020 by Rail-Online

[t-b-g]

The second vehicle looks like an open goods rather than a coal wagon. Is it carrying something other than coal, or is it being used as a coal wagon? We will probably never know!

 

Lovely photo. Do we modellers worry too much about the ride height?

[Compound2632]

1 hour ago, t-b-g said:

The second vehicle looks like an open goods rather than a coal wagon.

 

62993? Someone with Tatlow Vol. 4 should be able to give chapter and verse.

[t-b-g]

36 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

 

62993? Someone with Tatlow Vol. 4 should be able to give chapter and verse.

 

I was being lazy but you made me get my book out!

 

The 6 for the first number tells you it is a former Great Eastern wagon so appears in Volume 1 and it is a 10 ton open wagon.

[Compound2632]

9 minutes ago, t-b-g said:

 

I was being lazy but you made me get my book out!

 

The 6 for the first number tells you it is a former Great Eastern wagon so appears in Volume 1 and it is a 10 ton open wagon.

 

And there's me displaying my ignorance of LNER wagon numbering despite having Tatlow Vols. 1 & 2!

Edited May 27, 2020 by Compound2632

[t-b-g]

6 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

 

And there's me displaying my ignorance of LNER wagon numbering despite having Tatlow Vols. 1 & 2!

 

I memorised which company got which prefix number ages ago, as it saved time trying to pin a wagon down to a company. NER wagons kept their original numbers has they had most wagons to alter, GNR was 4 on the front, GCR was 5 and GER was 6 and I can't remember the others.

 

It was something like that but it was a long time ago and now I model pre-grouping, I am rusty so don't quote me!

 

 

Edited May 27, 2020 by t-b-g