locomotive kits 30368's Workbench SR Loco's with a bit of LNER

[30368]

1 hour ago, micklner said:

only ever heard of its prior reputation, this one is living up to the previous comments !!

 

Hi Mick,

 

Well yes and no. I am surprised that the firebox etch is just wrong on one side and that the running plate and valances are too short at the cab end and the boiler construction is complex and needs a lot of effort to build. Indeed, I would say that this kit needs a lot of additional effort to overcome the errors and, in places, poor design. Having said that it is very old, 1982 and things have moved on since then. For example, I have built a Judith Edge LNER (ex GCR) B9 etch. Its not a kit since it requires you to scratch build the boiler and firebox but its quality and accuracy is first class and it took far less effort to produce a really nice representation of the prototype than the effort expended on the V2.

 

However, the build is starting to look like a V2.....

 

I need to pull in the firebox a tad with a solder fillet.

 

Backplate casting is good though.

 

Good view of the "gap" I am confident that this can be rectified with some solder and Greenstuff.

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

[micklner]

It is always hard to tell anything from photos.

 

On the Nearside, is the Firebox bottom edge straight along it length, as it appears the top of the Footplate is deeper at the Cab end than at the Curved end .

Perhaps it needs pulling over ,even 1mm or less. That may move the offside straighter , and may close the gap a tad.? I would be inclined to solder some scrap brass behind the gap then fill , that will stop any flexing/cracking in the future.

 

As said before , Good Luck !!

Edited October 2, 2021 by micklner

[30368]

Hi Mick,

 

The footplate, cab and firebox are all level and square. The problem is that the curve from the top of the firebox to the footplate is too steep, i.e. it does not follow the curve of the cab front. The other side is fine. So if I try to pull it in it will distort cab and firebox. So, some low melt solder, some work with my large selection of needle files and, if required, some greenstuff. I will then add the band and blend it in to the original band at the top of the firebox.

 

Your comments much appreciated and as you may guess, unless you like a challenge, then don't attempt this build!

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

Edited October 2, 2021 by 30368

[micklner]

Bargepole springs to mind !!!

[30368]

Added the firebox front and support brackets today - all scratchbuilt since these items are not included in the kit and are fairly noticable on the prototype.

 

The firebox front made up from a few scrap pieces of brass - care needed to clear the trailing driving wheelset and rear subframe.

 

The filler still need final rub-down.

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

[30368]

A little progress today, chimney, in particular, needed lots of fettling and will require some filler later. But it looks like a V2..

 

 

 

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

[Jon4470]

Following this build with interest as I have one of these lurking around on a shelf. It is in the category of “one day I’ll build it just for the hell of it”!

 

I think that your build is looking good despite the issues with the kit.

 

Jon

[03060]

On 05/10/2021 at 08:41, Jon4470 said:

Following this build with interest as I have one of these lurking around on a shelf. It is in the category of “one day I’ll build it just for the hell of it”!

 

I think that your build is looking good despite the issues with the kit.

 

Jon

 

I have a 3mm scale version to build so am also following with interest; I know a chap who has 2 built from this kit, one that he built himself and one possibly built by Mike Edge, both look good and perform well so it is definitely possible to have a positive outcome if care is taken and a bit of fettling is allowed for.

 

As said, Richard, your build is looking good and your construction reports are gratefully received.

 

Regards,

Ian.

[30368]

Today's update uncludes the addition of detail on the smokebox, the vacuum ejector pipe and some cab detail. The large and heavy brass backplate casting has also been filed to fit and has had the two regulator handles fitted. Generally the casting are rough requiring lots of work before they can be fitted, but hey this is a very old kit! I have also elongated and soldered a new section onto the trailing wheel pony so that the wheel is centred on the axlebox casting correctly.

I know that its is not in anyway state of the art but I quite like the look of the V2...

 

The castings for the two smokebox covers for the wide superheater header are fashoined from lead sheet, the castings were too poor.

 

Trailing wheel is now in line with axlebox even if it looks in this image that it isnt!

 

 

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

Edited October 6, 2021 by 30368

[30368]

Perhaps like a number of us, I had my Covid-19 booster + annual 'Flu jab. All seems ok so far....recommended!

 

I have received from Tony Wright the overlay etches to convert the Pro-scale tender into the most common version of the Group Standard tender fitted to the V2. Since I am building one of the loco's that were transferred to the SR in 1953 to cover the withdrawn MN, it would appear that all of these locos had this style of tender. Sincere thanks to Tony for his advice and for supplying the etch FOC.

 

When the top beading is removed from the PS etch the TW etch will be soldered in place. The join at the edge of the overlay will be closer to the prototype than a flush side. On the left is the higher coal plate fitted to this design of tender.

 

Back to the loco, I have started to add the detail (all those fine oil pipes) to the smokebox area and the gravity oil boxes fitted each side of the smokebox.

 

All the cab detail is now complete but has been removed ready for painting of the body. It will be in black MT livery. Some repairs required on the cylinders!

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

Edited October 9, 2021 by 30368

[30368]

Hi,

 

Apart from the handrails and some repairs to the chassis, the V2 is almost complete and will soon start painting. I have paired it up with my build of a London Road Model's ex NER/LNER G5 0-4-4T. This has been built as a gift for the Darlington Model Railway Club in memory of a former railway collegue who was a member of that club. From what we can discover, 67305 was one of his favourite loco's. I will be visiting Darlington this Saturday (by train!) to hand the model over to the club so its a fond farewell from me to a lovely little loco and really good kit.

 

 

Just noticed that the G5 trailing bogie wheel is off the rail.....blast.

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

 

 

Edited October 12, 2021 by 30368

[sjp23480]

I also have one of these that is nearing the top of my to do pile. 

 

I only have the Ian Beattie drawing to go by.  Does anyone know how accurate his V2 is in Bradford Barton's LNER Locomotives to Scale?

 

Placing the valance etch against the drawing reveals some interesting differences. See below.  I am hoping to match the Proscale body with a Comet chassis, but am worried that may not work out as planned!

 

Steve

 

Edited October 12, 2021 by sjp23480
Typo

[30368]

3 hours ago, sjp23480 said:

Does anyone know how accurate his V2 is in Bradford Barton's LNER Locomotives to Scale?

 

Hi,

 

I am using the Isinglass drawing (Drg 303) This shows similar differences. However, I recommend as much cross checking of drawing with good side views of the prototype as possible. I am using the following as references:

 

1 Yeadon's Volume 4 - V2&V4

2 The Book of the V2 2-6-2 (again V4s inc.) -m Peter Coster

3 Gresleys V2s Peter Tuffrey

 

This is essential since I don't believe that either 4mm scale drawing are accurate. For example, my drawing shows the trailing axlebox front securing/tensioning bolt to be about inline with the cab front sheet. Photographs suggest otherwise, the front of the axlebox extends beyond the cab front sheet by some way. The Proscale running plate does seem too short or is the cab side too long? My drawing suggests the former is the case so I have added a piece (I still need to add the valance) although this needs to be trimmed. If you look back in this thread you can see that this kit has come in for a lot of stick. I have replaced some parts in my build accordingly. The details are above.

I guess one would need to look at the V2 GA drawing to get this absolutely right!

 

 

Handrails today and build is very close to the paint shop.

 

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

 

Edited October 12, 2021 by 30368

[sjp23480]

5 minutes ago, 30368 said:

The Proscale running plate does seem too short or is the cab side too long?

 

Richard,

 

Looks like the running plate is too short to me too.  The Beattie drawing shows the same, the cab overhang at the rear looks as if it makes up for the missing 3mm or so on the running plate!  As you say, it means adding a fillet of brass under the rear of the cab to extend the running plate to the rear of the cab panels.

 

I have seen a lot of adverse feedback on this kit, which is a shame but its not going to put me off!  Rightly on wrongly, this is my first all brass build, all my previous efforts have been DJH whitemetal/brass efforts.  Funnily enough I also have a London Road G5 to build, but I prefer to build up my experience using the Proscale in the first instance.  

 

Yours is looking good, looking forward to seeing it fully dressed!

 

Thanks for all the advice and two great threads that will be invaluable to me in the not too distant future.

 

Steve

[30368]

43 minutes ago, sjp23480 said:

Thanks for all the advice and two great threads that will be invaluable to me in the not too distant future.

 

 

Pleasure Steve.

[30368]

A few final views of the body before painting.

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

[Michael Edge]

Try this, it was done from the Doncaster GA, I wouldn't trust the others very far although Isinglass are very good on details.

V2.pdf

[30368]

16 hours ago, Michael Edge said:

Try this, it was done from the Doncaster GA,

 

Thanks Michael. I will check.

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

[sjp23480]

On 14/10/2021 at 19:56, Michael Edge said:

Try this, it was done from the Doncaster GA, I wouldn't trust the others very far although Isinglass are very good on details.

V2.pdf 53.2 kB · 33 downloads

Hi Mike,

 

I printed the PDF at 100% but it looks a little too large.  Do you happen to know the % print ratio to bring the diagram down to 4mm?

Thanks

Steve

[30368]

A few pictures of a little known pairing during the brief posting of 60896 to the SR as a temporary replacement for the MN during the axle crisis. It was thought that the Drummond 8 wheeled tender would provide additional water capacity given the lack of water troughs on the SR routes. It was soon abandoned when it was realised that the LNER Group Standard 6 wheeled tender had a greater water capacity. Not a lot of people know that....

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

[Michael Edge]

20 hours ago, sjp23480 said:

Hi Mike,

 

I printed the PDF at 100% but it looks a little too large.  Do you happen to know the % print ratio to bring the diagram down to 4mm?

Thanks

Steve

I've no idea how these pdf files print out, my originals are Turbocad files. The total wheelbase should be 134.67mm in 4mm scale so check with this dimension.

[sjp23480]

3 hours ago, Michael Edge said:

I've no idea how these pdf files print out, my originals are Turbocad files. The total wheelbase should be 134.67mm in 4mm scale so check with this dimension.

Mike, 

 

Thanks for the tip, the datum point allowed me to use my schoolboy maths to figure out the scaling of the PDF: 89%.

 

This reveals that the Ian Beattie drawing is somewhat inaccurate, with the smokebox and running plate being approximately 5mm too long.  

 

By contrast, the Proscale running plate and valance match your drawing, as does the Comet chassis frames.  

 

With these fundamentals established, I am feeling a little more inclined to make a start on the kit......tomorrow!

 

Thanks again,

Stephen

[30368]

Well I hope you started your V2 today Stephen, good luck anyway.

 

Painting and lining now finished, not totally satisfied with the result using transfers but loco not weathered yet so lets see how it looks then. Cab interior now complete and fitted just after fitting cab glazing. Still more to do - footsteps and cylinder drainpipes mainly. Chassis still running sweetly with no tight spots.

 

Probably need to weather the floor a bit.

 

 

 

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

[John Tomlinson]

45 minutes ago, 30368 said:

Well I hope you started your V2 today Stephen, good luck anyway.

 

Painting and lining now finished, not totally satisfied with the result using transfers but loco not weathered yet so lets see how it looks then. Cab interior now complete and fitted just after fitting cab glazing. Still more to do - footsteps and cylinder drainpipes mainly. Chassis still running sweetly with no tight spots.

 

Probably need to weather the floor a bit.

 

 

 

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

 

Your finish to me looks excellent from the photos.

 

I did wonder if you could keep it like this, as if just arrived from the ER on loan - no doubt they'd have given it a good clean beforehand to show how well they looked after their locos.

 

John.

[46256]

A really nice model Richard enjoyed seeing how you tackled some of the kits idiosyncrasies and produced a beautiful result. The Drummond tender was it actually used or just mooted?