Halfords car paints updates

[Barry O]

If a brownish primer was good for the Midland Railway, then the LMS for crimson lake  use the darkest brown primer you can find.. oh hang on a moment.. that will be browny red then...

 

 

Baz... 

[Dave Hunt]

On 28/02/2021 at 18:37, Compound2632 said:

 

@Dave Hunt had advised me of a substitute but I've lost my note of what he said...

 

 

Sorry for not posting in reply to this sooner. I got a Rover Damask Red spray can recently from MPex at Marston Business Park, Rudgate, Tockworth, York YO 25 7QF  Tel. 01423 358000 email mpexdirect.com 

 

It's not cheap - about £11 per can IIRC - but it seems to be good stuff.

 

Dave

[JZ]

Went into Halfords yesterday to get some Rover damask red (Rio Grande Southern maroon) to find what they had left was reduced. Could be that it will be discontinued, so stock up while you can. Was selling at £3.

[Compound2632]

1 minute ago, JZ said:

Went into Halfords yesterday to get some Rover damask red (Rio Grande Southern maroon) to find what they had left was reduced. Could be that it will be discontinued, so stock up while you can. Was selling at £3.

 

Interesting. It was being discounted a year ago and was then unavailable on Halfords' website. At the time I had an excuse to do some essential shopping at my local Halfords (replacement wing mirror glass) but they had none left in stock. But Halfords Winnersh is hardly a megastore.

[sagaguy]

If you know the paint code,your local auto paint supplier will fill you a couple of cans,probably bigger and cheaper.

 

                           Ray.

[Compound2632]

8 minutes ago, sagaguy said:

If you know the paint code,your local auto paint supplier will fill you a couple of cans,probably bigger and cheaper.

 

Many and various have been the suggestions but all involve more faff and probably greater expense* than walking into your local Halfords, which is why the disappearance of Rover Damask Red from their range is frustrating.

 

*You say bigger and cheaper but do I want / can I keep that much?

 

Edited April 4, 2021 by Compound2632

[stewartingram]

....more faff and probably greater expense than walking into your local Halfords....

 

Now that's the quote of the year! ANYTHING is easier and cheaper than Halfrauds......

 

Stewart

[Compound2632]

21 minutes ago, stewartingram said:

....more faff and probably greater expense than walking into your local Halfords....

 

Now that's the quote of the year! ANYTHING is easier and cheaper than Halfrauds......

 

Stewart

 

Maybe cheaper, not necessarily easier.

[JohnR]

16 hours ago, sagaguy said:

If you know the paint code,your local auto paint supplier will fill you a couple of cans,probably bigger and cheaper.

 

                           Ray.

One of the big attractions of Halfords spray cans is that they dont get clogged as often as other makes. 

[sagaguy]

I use quite a lot of Belton Molotow spray cans these days from Great Art.Huge range of colours and pretty large cans and are much cheaper. My Dapol Deltic using Molotow Shock blue.

 

 

          Ray. 

 

Edited April 5, 2021 by sagaguy

[PenrithBeacon]

https://www.greatart.co.uk/molotow-belton-premium-spray-paints.html

https://www.greatart.co.uk/liquitex-acrylic-spray-paints.html

There are more, but many of the common railway paintings in the BS381C range don't seem to be here. 

Edited April 5, 2021 by PenrithBeacon

[sagaguy]

1 minute ago, PenrithBeacon said:

https://www.greatart.co.uk/molotow-belton-premium-spray-paints.html

They are very useful paints,originally used by street and graffiti artists,they are low pressure and quick drying.This is a pretty close match for the Dublo SR green of the period.

 

                             Ray.

[sagaguy]

1 hour ago, PenrithBeacon said:

https://www.greatart.co.uk/molotow-belton-premium-spray-paints.html

https://www.greatart.co.uk/liquitex-acrylic-spray-paints.html

There are more, but many of the common railway paintings in the BS381C range don't seem to be here. 

Neither does Halfords, if you want true railway colours, Railmatch or Precision are the only way to go. 

 

       Ray.

[Barry O]

Never used them (yet) but  you could try these:

 

Rover Damask

 

Note Hicoat have stopped doing the Damask Red.. which is probably why Halfords have as I understand that Hicoat was Halfords supplier.

 

 

Baz

[Metr0Land]

Halfords still do Fords Burgundy Red don't they?  I've mixed and matched coaches with burgundy red and damask red to get them looking the same but different if you see what I mean.

[JohnR]

17 hours ago, Metr0Land said:

Halfords still do Fords Burgundy Red don't they?  I've mixed and matched coaches with burgundy red and damask red to get them looking the same but different if you see what I mean.

 

Yes, I dont understand this desire to have all rolling stock be identical in terms of colour. It just wasnt like that in real life. Coaches in a rake were painted at different times, and weathered slightly to difference degrees - environment also played a part. And thats before we get into the slight variations in paint batches used.

[Compound2632]

3 hours ago, JohnR said:

Yes, I dont understand this desire to have all rolling stock be identical in terms of colour. It just wasnt like that in real life. Coaches in a rake were painted at different times, and weathered slightly to difference degrees - environment also played a part. And thats before we get into the slight variations in paint batches used.

 

A valid point but I have found in practice viewing layouts representing the Midland Railway that inconsistency in shad of the crimson lake sticks out like a sore thumb and spoils the illusion - especially if there's a vehicle that is too bright a shade. What in this context should vary, I think, is the varnish. Consider the second carriage in this train (the Longbridge workers train) - definitely overdue for re-varnshing but would there be any actual difference in colour?

[MR Chuffer]

11 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

Consider

...so why was No 2035 fitted with Westinghouse equipment at this time?

[Compound2632]

7 minutes ago, MR Chuffer said:

...so why was No 2035 fitted with Westinghouse equipment at this time?

 

Six of the 2000 Class were fitted with the Westinghouse brake between 1913 and1918-22 for working on the LTS section; 2035 was the last to retain it. Details in S. Summerson, Midland Railway Locomotives Vol. 4 (Irwell Press, 2005) pp. 162-3.

Edited April 6, 2021 by Compound2632

[peak experience]

On 06/04/2021 at 09:02, JohnR said:

 

Yes, I dont understand this desire to have all rolling stock be identical in terms of colour. It just wasnt like that in real life. Coaches in a rake were painted at different times, and weathered slightly to difference degrees - environment also played a part. And thats before we get into the slight variations in paint batches used.

I don't feel that it translates as well to miniature models. looks fine on the real thing but stands out and looks wrong to my eyes in model  form.

[JohnR]

On 06/04/2021 at 12:51, Compound2632 said:

 

A valid point but I have found in practice viewing layouts representing the Midland Railway that inconsistency in shad of the crimson lake sticks out like a sore thumb and spoils the illusion - especially if there's a vehicle that is too bright a shade. What in this context should vary, I think, is the varnish. Consider the second carriage in this train (the Longbridge workers train) - definitely overdue for re-varnshing but would there be any actual difference in colour?

I think the problem is that most of our visual references for the pre-nationalisation period are black & white, where such shading is difficult to pick up. Even post war, colour stock was not great.

[Compound2632]

9 minutes ago, JohnR said:

I think the problem is that most of our visual references for the pre-nationalisation period are black & white, where such shading is difficult to pick up. Even post war, colour stock was not great.

 

Experimental archaeology would be the way forward except that, where painting specifications and formulae survive, many of the ingredients are no longer readily obtainable, and as to aging, we just don't have the atmospheric pollutants of yore.

Edited April 7, 2021 by Compound2632

[alexl102]

On 05/04/2021 at 15:23, Metr0Land said:

Halfords still do Fords Burgundy Red don't they?  I've mixed and matched coaches with burgundy red and damask red to get them looking the same but different if you see what I mean.

They do, but in some lights it's nothing like BR Red... in some photos I've taken it looks almost pink.

With regard to things being the same colour... I don't want that but for me I want to start with the same colour as a base coat, then weather or fade it out to create variations. I wouldn't mind if for example I used different brands of Rover Damask Red and there were slight variations.