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It will be easy for governments in Europe and elsewhere make mask usage on public transit mandatory - not the least because a rule is cheap and easy, particularly when the (minor) burden of buying a mask is placed on the user.

 

The other options (if they can be found), where some way is found to permanently support social distancing, are much more expensive.

 

Thus for at least Canada the use of masks on airplanes has become mandatory, and it has been advised for rail and bus.  To that end the first municipality (Ottawa) has decided to make it mandatory while others at this time are so far only recommending it.

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1 hour ago, black and decker boy said:

But news this morning that Japan is seeing new clusters of cases from small church gatherings.

Do they wear masks at small church gatherings?  That seems to be the big difference in countries where infections one public transport have been shown to be minimal.  There is also some evidence that singing helps transmit the virus.  

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1 hour ago, Edwin_m said:

Do they wear masks at small church gatherings?  That seems to be the big difference in countries where infections one public transport have been shown to be minimal.  There is also some evidence that singing helps transmit the virus.  

Apparently no masks but reading of verses and saying prayers in small groups. No singing mentioned.

 

one event saw a 73% transmission rate between attendees!!

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2 hours ago, Edwin_m said:

Do they wear masks at small church gatherings?  That seems to be the big difference in countries where infections one public transport have been shown to be minimal.  There is also some evidence that singing helps transmit the virus.  

 

Is hard evidence really necessary to discover that singing helps transmit a virus, whether it is  Corona, the flu or a cold?

The harder you breathe out, the further your breath (& therefore germs) will go. That is pretty basic physics.

 

A miserable commuter standing on a train, refusing to speak will potentially transmit a virus less distance than somebody running hard on a treadmill in a gym with air conditioning blasting their expelled breath around further (which is why gyms are closed), although there may be people in closer proximity on a train.

For the same reason, it also makes sense to walk for a train when many of us would usually run.

Singing probably falls somewhere between breathing at rest & doing hard exercise.

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2 hours ago, Phatbob said:


Wales is screwed then! :jester:

We've been pretty much screwed since Vortigern invited Hengist and his Horsa to stay...  Actually, we've been fairly screwed since the Romans landed, double screwed when they went home, and then Vortigern (Gwytherin in Welsh) invited Hengist and Horsa in as paid mercenaries, gifting them land so that they'd remain in his service.  They sent back home to Germany for their families, and one thing led to another...

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23 hours ago, duncan said:

That means all the joggers should be wearing masks & how often should they be washed ?

 

Outdoors probably not.  The virus seems to dissipate enough that it isn't a threat unless you were right up in the joggers face.

 

So far the most common reported cases where there has been significant transmission of Covid have all been indoor spaces where people have been exposed for extended times, and where there is activity other than just breathing - the South Korean call centre, a restaurant in China, the ski resort bars in Europe, the nightclubs in South Korea.

 

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On 01/06/2020 at 21:59, doilum said:

Maybe if we all wore a 5G mast..........

But what if someone two meters away has with them one of those £399 holographic quantum-disentanglement time-dilation memory stick thingies?

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On 02/06/2020 at 09:31, The Johnster said:

We've been pretty much screwed since Vortigern invited Hengist and his Horsa to stay...  Actually, we've been fairly screwed since the Romans landed, double screwed when they went home, and then Vortigern (Gwytherin in Welsh) invited Hengist and Horsa in as paid mercenaries, gifting them land so that they'd remain in his service.  They sent back home to Germany for their families, and one thing led to another...

Surely Hengist, Horsa and Vortigern were on the cross channel run, not Irish Sea services.  

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14 minutes ago, daveyb said:

Surely Hengist, Horsa and Vortigern were on the cross channel run, not Irish Sea services.  

 

Not sure. I think that one or more may have subbed on Irish services to cover for maintenance. But yes, primarily the short services from Dover/Folkestone, hence the names.

 

Edit: Found this interesting list of BR vessels (usual caveats about anything on Wikipedia). Names there that bring back many memories but unfortunately not much info about routes that they operated.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Railways_ships

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