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25 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said:

 

Flagged without any mention of the tesprays, so not really flagged. 


Except for those that mentioned the respray. So, ‘flagged’ really.

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21 hours ago, BR Blue said:

The award is a complete nonsense like other claims he made when he was starting DJM. I know for a fact that a successful wagon he claimed he was responsible for had none of his input as the project re-started without him. The initial work he did was sub standard and rejected. The project was redone from scratch yet he still tried to take credit.

 

This sounds like a lot of people I have "connected" to on my LinkedIn. We had a temp contractor once claiming on there that he was a finance director at our company and even my old line manager makes a bold claim about being responsible for completely migrating from one email system to another. Meanwhile, 4 years later I'm still having to keep an old, out of support system running because it has a business critical app on it that got descoped from the migration (too difficult and costly to move) so his project came in "on time, on budget".

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2 hours ago, John M Upton said:

The coverage of the DJM meltdown and subsequent collapse has not really been banner headlines in the mags that I have seen.

So, hardly serving (the less internet-savvy portion of) their readership then!

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If I recall correctly, at the time the respray business went belly up, and the resultant fallout from it with people out of pocket, there was a thread on RM Web about it.

 

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2 hours ago, Markwj said:

Hopefully no one would be daft enough to be that frontman!

 

Let's hope he doesn't get a job with Coopercraft!

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36 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said:

Quite the contrary. They deserve each other.

I meant it ironically!!!! Can you imagine the train wreck that would be!

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1 hour ago, Amand said:

 

Let's hope he doesn't get a job with Coopercraft!

 

44 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said:

Quite the contrary. They deserve each other.

 

7 minutes ago, Amand said:

I meant it ironically!!!! Can you imagine the train wreck that would be!

 

I'd buy a ticket!

 

Mike.

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4 hours ago, John M Upton said:

The coverage of the DJM meltdown and subsequent collapse has not really been banner headlines in the mags that I have seen.

 

That would be because they are magazines and not newspapers. None do banner headlines for news as a general rule - but most mentioned it on their news pages but even then coverage will be limited to the facts that can be proven. There are still libel laws which apply to paper publications. Yes, someone could spend many thousands of pounds trying to get to the bottom of everything but it won't sell any more magazines.

 

I doubt many readers knew who DJM were anyway. I'm constantly surprised how little product knowledge is shown in Facebook posts. He might have made waves on here, but that's not really representative of the wider population.

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14 minutes ago, Phil Parker said:

 

That would be because they are magazines and not newspapers. None do banner headlines for news as a general rule - but most mentioned it on their news pages but even then coverage will be limited to the facts that can be proven. There are still libel laws which apply to paper publications. Yes, someone could spend many thousands of pounds trying to get to the bottom of everything but it won't sell any more magazines.

 

I doubt many readers knew who DJM were anyway. I'm constantly surprised how little product knowledge is shown in Facebook posts. He might have made waves on here, but that's not really representative of the wider population.

I wouldn't expect investigative journalism or doorstep interviews, but, given the amount of page space dedicated to announcements of his various schemes over the years, then perhaps a quarter page dedicated to a general overview of people's options with regard to trying to get their money back would have been useful IMHO.

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18 minutes ago, Phil Parker said:

 

That would be because they are magazines and not newspapers. None do banner headlines for news as a general rule - but most mentioned it on their news pages but even then coverage will be limited to the facts that can be proven. There are still libel laws which apply to paper publications. Yes, someone could spend many thousands of pounds trying to get to the bottom of everything but it won't sell any more magazines.

 

I doubt many readers knew who DJM were anyway. I'm constantly surprised how little product knowledge is shown in Facebook posts. He might have made waves on here, but that's not really representative of the wider population.

Its quite surprising how many folk who buy model railways who have never heard of Bachmann or Dapol, never mind all the smaller suppliers.  Or those who have heard of them but rubbish them because its not Hornby.  

 

Overheard at the Preston exhibition this year when a chap was asking if a trader had any Hornby Class 73s, trader explained that they didnt but did have Dapol ones, the chap said "Im not buy any of that Chinese rubbish" and walked off.  The trader, a few other folk at the stand and I had a right good laugh

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31 minutes ago, Amand said:

I meant it ironically!!!! Can you imagine the train wreck that would be!

DJ's trains are already wrecks!

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55 minutes ago, Half-full said:

 

 The trader, a few other folk at the stand and I had a right good laugh

 

His vote counts exactly the same as yours though, which is slightly sobering.

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1 hour ago, Phil Parker said:

 

... I'm constantly surprised how little product knowledge is shown in Facebook posts...

 

I hope you don't mind Phil.

:)

 

 

Kev.

 

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5 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said:

 

Flagged without any mention of the tesprays, so not really flagged. 

 

Nope, it was flagged. The company was called N'thusiast Resprays and has been mentioned many times on RMweb and other forums. But I guess being restricted and concerning only N gauge the majority of OO modellers probably were unaware and/or didn't bother to check it out further.

 

 

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3 hours ago, spamcan61 said:

I wouldn't expect investigative journalism or doorstep interviews, but, given the amount of page space dedicated to announcements of his various schemes over the years, then perhaps a quarter page dedicated to a general overview of people's options with regard to trying to get their money back would have been useful IMHO.

 

We are 15 pages in to a discussion on a dead parrot firm. A quarter page wouldn't do the job and would be followed by endless arguments that someone's view hadn't been properly represented. And that's before you have people, as has happened on another DJM thread, suggesting the press should be liable for some of the lost money because they reported his announcements. It's a no win situation.

 

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57 minutes ago, Phil Parker said:

 

We are 15 pages in to a discussion on a dead parrot firm. A quarter page wouldn't do the job and would be followed by endless arguments that someone's view hadn't been properly represented. And that's before you have people, as has happened on another DJM thread, suggesting the press should be liable for some of the lost money because they reported his announcements. It's a no win situation.

 

Happy to say I haven't heard that one. Shoot the messenger, eh? (CJL)

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1 hour ago, grahame said:

 

Nope, it was flagged. The company was called N'thusiast Resprays and has been mentioned many times on RMweb and other forums. But I guess being restricted and concerning only N gauge the majority of OO modellers probably were unaware and/or didn't bother to check it out further.

 

 

 

Flagging properly would have meant something on a DJM OO and N threads along the lines of "before spending your money have a read about Dave Jones's venture called N'thusiast resprays and how it went belly up."

 

There was no proper flagging along those lines and no reason for an OO modeller to make any link between Dj Models and N'thusiast resprays unless it was specifically pointed out.

 

All we got were comments like  "I don't pay for anything until I've read positive reviews" much too subtle to be seen as flagging the problem.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Phil Parker said:

suggesting the press should be liable for some of the lost money because they reported his announcements. It's a no win situation.

 

AFAIK, that wasn't the point being made:

 

9 hours ago, John M Upton said:

Indeed there may still be a few poor souls out there blissfully unaware that their money has disappeared into a big black hole and are still anticipating the arrival of their King/APT/whatever...  The coverage of the DJM meltdown and subsequent collapse has not really been banner headlines in the mags that I have seen.

 

 More a point of communication than liability. Banner headlines aside.

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14 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said:

 

All we got were comments like  "I don't pay for anything until I've read positive reviews" much too subtle to be seen as flagging the problem.

 

 

 

There are also comments about people loosing money with Dave Jones when he ran N'thusiast Resprays. I don't think they were particularly subtle.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said:

Any links? I may have to eat humble pie if I can be convinced.

I have only ever read about DJM on this forum. 

 

My over-riding impression was anyone giving any sort of warning was shouted down and accused of having an agenda (as if having previous isnt a good enough reason to flag something!).

 

I found it interesting that when it went belly up the mods immediately put out a warning against people saying I told you so. That surely recognises a lot had?

 

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