Moderators Howard Smith Posted June 4, 2020 Moderators Share Posted June 4, 2020 THE 'SEE IT/MAKE IT' CHALLENGE: ROUND FOUR Test your brick stair-making abilities in the fourth round of our See it/Make it challenge. With a Bachmann Class E4 0-6-2T up for grabs, it could be a stairway to heaven? Read more here: https://www.world-of-railways.co.uk/techniques/the-see-it-make-it-challenge-round-four/ Who's good at brickwork, then? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted June 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2020 I'm not sure how far I will get with this but here goes... This is the first piece of brickwork - designated "StairEnd". Just another brick in the wall! Kev. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Alex TM Posted June 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 7, 2020 Hi there, ' ... stairway to heaven ... '; ' ... another brick in the wall ... '; what's next? Green Door, or something from Fiddler on the Roof? Regards, Alex. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Howard Smith Posted June 9, 2020 Author Moderators Share Posted June 9, 2020 On 07/06/2020 at 18:35, SHMD said: I'm not sure how far I will get with this but here goes... This is the first piece of brickwork - designated "StairEnd". Just another brick in the wall! Kev. Interesting variety in the courses there, but hard to tell what you've made it from - is it wood? Looks great either way! H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted June 9, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 9, 2020 Hi Howard, yes it is wood, and here is some progress ! I use a high speed "router" to realise the drawings I make in CAD. The finish is quite rough - I must use a new cutter next time. ...but a few seconds with a blow-torch effortlessly cleans things up. A few seconds with some 400 grit paper and it looks as good as new - that's what is wanted right? ...but don't linger too long (>1second in any one place) or the wood will burn! Four more panels left to CAM and cut. (The CAD is already done.) Kev. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted June 9, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 9, 2020 ...oh, and it's - Bond, English Bond! (But with 5 courses of "stretchers" before each course of "Headers".) Kev. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Howard Smith Posted June 10, 2020 Author Moderators Share Posted June 10, 2020 Mightily impressive stuff, Kev, we can't wait to see the finish article! Anyone going to give Kev a run for his money with styrene sheet, clay or foamboard? It's all about the painting and weathering too, remember! H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted June 11, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 11, 2020 Here are a couple of sets of steps on Foxcote in 2mm scale. Both have plasticard as the basis. I will try and dig out some construction pictures and mail them off to Howard. Jerry 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philou Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 English bond is alternate stretcher - header courses, Flemish bond is stretcher - header in the same course alternating with header - stretcher in the courses above and below, common bond is 5 courses of stretcher to 1 of header, and, I stand to be corrected, garden wall bond is 3 courses of stretcher to 1 of header. There are many others, of course. The idea is that water does not find an easy path to percolate through the courses. Straying away slightly, if you use bricks with 'frogs' i.e., indented (usually) on one face, the frog should be laid uppermost and then filled with mortar, however, as mortar is relatively expensive, often to cut corners, the frogs are laid bottom-most leaving an air-gap above the mortar within which water collects - not a good idea! Cavity walls were made with two half-brick walls tied with steel ties. A number of years ago, houses built in the 1920s/30s started to suffer from wall-tie rot where the steel rusted and started to separate the courses. Much remedial work had to be (and maybe still) undertaken. Modern ties are stainless or plastic and the cavity infilled with insulation. Cheers, Philip 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 And if it's made from envelopes it's Basildon Bond.... Jason 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted June 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 12, 2020 Possibly a numpties question; however, I note this is round four, is it a stand alone project or did you have to enter rounds 1 to 3 first? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted June 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 12, 2020 I'm pretty sure they are all stand alone. This is the first one I have entered anyway. Kev. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted June 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 12, 2020 35 minutes ago, john new said: Possibly a numpties question; however, I note this is round four, is it a stand alone project or did you have to enter rounds 1 to 3 first? No, each is separate. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Howard Smith Posted June 12, 2020 Author Moderators Share Posted June 12, 2020 51 minutes ago, john new said: Possibly a numpties question; however, I note this is round four, is it a stand alone project or did you have to enter rounds 1 to 3 first? All separate, John - looking forward to seeing what you've been up to. H 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted June 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 13, 2020 I've made a start. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted June 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 13, 2020 More done. Just the stairs and the stone wall to do. I've been looking forward to doing the arch! ..a pile of boards that need keying together! Tomorrow I want need to start "ageing" the bricks. I fear this will be a distressing time for both of us! Kev. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 On 11/06/2020 at 19:32, Steamport Southport said: And if it's made from envelopes it's Basildon Bond.... Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted June 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 14, 2020 Stone walling today... Great fun! Kev. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Howard Smith Posted June 15, 2020 Author Moderators Share Posted June 15, 2020 Wow, fantastic modelling! Great to see the different mixture of techniques and media being used. Can't wait to see them weathered - looking at the state of the bricks in the prototype photograph, I'd say you've certainly accepted a challenge! Has anyone been tempted to scribe brick steps in DAS clay, or foamboard, yet? H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted June 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 15, 2020 Just in case anyone wants more information about the steps, this is a link to the Google Maps Street view. https://goo.gl/maps/9SRamxmQQJj4QrH97 Enjoy. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 15, 2020 On 11/06/2020 at 14:18, Philou said: English bond is alternate stretcher - header courses, Flemish bond is stretcher - header in the same course alternating with header - stretcher in the courses above and below, common bond is 5 courses of stretcher to 1 of header, and, I stand to be corrected, garden wall bond is 3 courses of stretcher to 1 of header. There are many others, of course. The idea is that water does not find an easy path to percolate through the courses. Straying away slightly, if you use bricks with 'frogs' i.e., indented (usually) on one face, the frog should be laid uppermost and then filled with mortar, however, as mortar is relatively expensive, often to cut corners, the frogs are laid bottom-most leaving an air-gap above the mortar within which water collects - not a good idea! Cavity walls were made with two half-brick walls tied with steel ties. A number of years ago, houses built in the 1920s/30s started to suffer from wall-tie rot where the steel rusted and started to separate the courses. Much remedial work had to be (and maybe still) undertaken. Modern ties are stainless or plastic and the cavity infilled with insulation. Cheers, Philip And don't forget the Queen Closers which have to be used to disrupt the mortar position between header and stretcher courses. And which are an absolute b*gger to cut in engineering bricks (don't ask how I know but I'm definitely not going to post a photo). I see SHMD has cut some very neat small scale ones in exactly the right places - top notch job there. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philou Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 (edited) I didn't want to go into detail, but not forgetting half, quarter and three-quarter bats and your quoins. IIRC, were there were also King closures? I did the theory in the late 70s but we were never allowed to do any practical work - which I loved when I did my own building work/extensions at home. I especially like leadwork and roofing in slate oh and I can plaster reasonably well - can't do it over here as they have 'soft' white plaster instead of browning and thistle types and you just can't get a fine polished finish - booh! I also had an excellent illustrated construction theory handbook used in my ONC/HNC coursework that was titled something like 'Building Papers' that after a number of house moves I no longer seem to have . Showed everything you needed - dragon's tooth anyone? Cheers and do take care - we're officially finished confinement here and schools restart next Monday with minimal safeguards - Not A Good Thing (T) in my book. Philip Edited June 15, 2020 by Philou gran'ma again! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted June 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 15, 2020 (edited) On 12/06/2020 at 13:17, john new said: Possibly a numpties question; however, I note this is round four, is it a stand alone project or did you have to enter rounds 1 to 3 first? And a follow up as I am hoping to get some modelling done this week - does it have to be a model of those specific steps or can it be any substantial flight of brick steps? The notes on World of Railways suggests it can be a different set as does the post from queensquare above. Edited June 15, 2020 by john new Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Howard Smith Posted June 15, 2020 Author Moderators Share Posted June 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, john new said: And a follow up as I am hoping to get some modelling done this week - does it have to be a model of those specific steps or can it be any substantial flight of brick steps? The notes on World of Railways suggests it can be a different set as does the post from queensquare above. Any steps John, so long as they're mostly brick. Feel free to throw the odd bit of stonework or ironwork in if you fancy, too. Hope it's challenging, but not too challenging... H 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted June 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, Howard Smith said: Any steps John, so long as they're mostly brick. Feel free to throw the odd bit of stonework or ironwork in if you fancy, too. Hope it's challenging, but not too challenging... H Thanks. I have a few ideas which will kick start the scenic aspects on my very slow build, despite being only a micro-layout, but I couldn't think how to get that specific set to fit in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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