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I was looking for some pictures of BR's Rail Ambassador train and I came across some pictures of these weird and wonderfully liveried coaches, so I thought that I'd start a thread about them. Feel free to add your own pics or any info that you might have about them.

 

This is what used to be the Rail Ambassador train which seems to have later had the logo painted over and used for something else.

 

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brexhibitiontrain/h2ED22C6#h2ed22c6

 

99650 ex-BG

 

Exhibition coach 99650, Birmingham International, 26-06-84

 

99621 Ex-??

 

Exhibition coach 99621, Birmingham International, 26-06-84

 

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I think that these two might actually be from a different train as the livery seems to be slightly different.

 

Unknown Ex-SK

 

Exhibition Coaches Nottm Plat 6 Aug 1987

 

Unknown Ex-BG

 

Exhibition Coach Notm Mid Plat 6 Aug 1987

 

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Interesting to see these photos. My old boss at one time , Ron Shirley, had previously run TrainEx and gave me a lot of papers and photos which I turned into two articles in the HMRS Journal. There had previously been article in Model Railway Constructor.

Here are a few photos, nice period pieces.

Jonathan

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3 minutes ago, corneliuslundie said:

Interesting to see these photos. My old boss at one time , Ron Shirley, had previously run TrainEx and gave me a lot of papers and photos which I turned into two articles in the HMRS Journal. There had previously been article in Model Railway Constructor.

Here are a few photos, nice period pieces.

Jonathan

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Nice one Jonathan, that shows the Rail Ambassador logo in all of it's glory

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There was another private operation, Rea Mobile Marketing, and Ron introduced me to the owner, who also gave me some photos. His trains were based on older stock, as shown below.

The two businesses were taken over by BR.

Kensington Olympia, where the Be Stiff Tour train is seen above, was a place where the trains were often photographed.

Jonathan

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4 minutes ago, corneliuslundie said:

There was another private operation, Rea Mobile Marketing, and Ron introduced me to the owner, who also gave me some photos. His trains were based on older stock, as shown below.

The two businesses were taken over by BR.

Kensington Olympia, where the Be Stiff Tour train is seen above, was a place where the trains were often photographed.

Jonathan

trainex5.jpg

 

Wonderful pictures! They look like they have been converted from Thompson BGs??

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Some from when they stored them at Salisbury.

 

GWR train hidden behind the Yeoman wagons.

 

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Then one with less to block them.

 

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Finally stored where the depot is now.

 

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I'm wondering if some of those blue coaches that I posted above were part of this train??

 

Philips Mobile

 

Exhibition Coaches Nottm Mid. Aug 1987

 

I don't know what this one was selling, but the livery on VIX?? wagon at the front of the train is unusual

 

The B.R. Exhibition train

 

Who wouldn't want to ride on train called the Seafish Express?

 

86003 Liverpool Lime St 22/10/82

 

Hoover Exhibition

 

glc - hoover exhibition train blackfriars JL

 

Another "Hoover" train

 

BT's 'Power Behind the Button'

 

 

The Power Behind the Button

 

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"They look like they have been converted from Thompson BGs??"

Correct

And thanks to those who have posted other photos I had never seen.

Yes, the train was reliveried for each exhibition. Some were single company tours and others such as Trainex were mutli-company.

Jonathan

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For those interested, these are the previous identities for the 996xx number series:

 

99600 Converted 1972 from Mk.1 BSK 34567

99601 Converted 1972 from Mk.1 BSK 34577

99602 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BCK 21145

99603 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BCK 21082

99604 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34082

99605 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BCK 21197

99606 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34504

99607 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34307

99608 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34063

99609 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34305

99610 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34355

99611 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34583

99612 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34690

99613 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34515

99614 Lot 30842(C) Swindon 1976 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34083

99620 Lot 30842(C) Swindon 1976 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34692

99621 Lot 30842(C) Swindon 1976 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34697

99622 Lot 30842(C) Swindon 1976 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34584

99623 Lot 30842(C) Swindon 1976 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34700

99624 Lot 30842(C) Swindon 1976 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34084

99625 Lot 30842(C) Swindon 1976 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34693

99626 Lot 1123 York 1945 Ex LNER BG 70592

99627 Lot 1152 York 1946 Ex LNER BG 70630

99628 Lot 983 York 1940 Ex LNER BG 70491

99629 Lot 30950(C) 1979 Ex Mk.1 SK 25972

99630 Lot 30951(C) 1979 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34695

99631 Lot 30952(C) 1979 Ex Mk.1 RUO 1018

99632 Ex Mk.1 TSO 4329

99633 Ex Mk.1 TSO 3827

99634 Ex Mk.1 SK 25317

99635 Ex Mk.1 SK 25637

99636 Ex Mk.1 SK 25646

99637 Ex Mk.1 CK 15854

99638 Ex Mk.1 BCK 21021

99639 Ex departmental DW150027 (GWR Siphon G 2790)

99640 Ex departmental DW150023 (GWR Siphon G 2xxx)

99641 Lot 30971(C) 1980 Ex Mk.1 RUO 1036

99642 Lot 30971(C) 1980 Ex Mk.1 RUO 1040

99643 Ex Mk.1 TSO 4272

99644 Ex Mk.1 TSO 3852

99645 Ex Mk.1 RB 1765

99646 Ex Mk.1 RB 1766

99647 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34629

99648 Ex freight stock B787017

99649 Ex Mk.1 BG 80502

99650 Ex Mk.1 BG 80830

99651 Ex Mk.1 RB 1728

99652 Ex Mk.1 SLF 2004

99653 Ex Mk.1 SLF 2005

99654 Ex Mk.1 TSO 4323

99655 Ex Mk.1 TSO 4321

99656 Ex Mk.1 TSO 4298

99657 Ex Mk.1 TSO 4569

99658 Ex Mk.1 TSO 4592

99659 Ex Mk.1 TSO 4518

99660 Ex Mk.1 BCK 21188

99661 Ex Mk.1 BG 80510

99662 Converted 1996 Ex Mk.2d TSO 5689

99663 Converted 1996 Ex Mk.2d TSO 6223 (Ex FO 3194)

99664 Converted 1996 Ex Mk.2d TSO 6231 (Ex FO 3189)

99665 Converted 1996 Ex Mk.2e TSO 5755

99666 Converted 1996 Ex Mk.2e FO 3250

 

1 hour ago, montyburns56 said:

I don't know what this one was selling, but the livery on VIX?? wagon at the front of the train is unusual

 

The B.R. Exhibition train

 

From the above list, it's 99648.

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bringing another couple of threads on exhibition coaches in 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I personally am still interested in learning more about a set of at least 3 siphons in use as 'the radio show' exhibition train - I've only see 3 pictures and do not have copyright.

 

Jon

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, corneliuslundie said:

"They look like they have been converted from Thompson BGs??"

Correct

And thanks to those who have posted other photos I had never seen.

Yes, the train was reliveried for each exhibition. Some were single company tours and others such as Trainex were mutli-company.

Jonathan

 

Yeah after posting all the pictures it seems that the blue/white coaches just had a different logo on them depending on the customer.

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2 hours ago, Dave47549 said:

For those interested, these are the previous identities for the 996xx number series:

 

99600 Converted 1972 from Mk.1 BSK 34567

99601 Converted 1972 from Mk.1 BSK 34577

99602 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BCK 21145

99603 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BCK 21082

99604 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34082

99605 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BCK 21197

99606 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34504

99607 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34307

99608 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34063

99609 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34305

99610 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34355

99611 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34583

99612 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34690

99613 Lot 30841(C) Swindon 1972/3 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34515

99614 Lot 30842(C) Swindon 1976 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34083

99620 Lot 30842(C) Swindon 1976 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34692

99621 Lot 30842(C) Swindon 1976 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34697

99622 Lot 30842(C) Swindon 1976 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34584

99623 Lot 30842(C) Swindon 1976 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34700

99624 Lot 30842(C) Swindon 1976 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34084

99625 Lot 30842(C) Swindon 1976 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34693

99626 Lot 1123 York 1945 Ex LNER BG 70592

99627 Lot 1152 York 1946 Ex LNER BG 70630

99628 Lot 983 York 1940 Ex LNER BG 70491

99629 Lot 30950(C) 1979 Ex Mk.1 SK 25972

99630 Lot 30951(C) 1979 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34695

99631 Lot 30952(C) 1979 Ex Mk.1 RUO 1018

99632 Ex Mk.1 TSO 4329

99633 Ex Mk.1 TSO 3827

99634 Ex Mk.1 SK 25317

99635 Ex Mk.1 SK 25637

99636 Ex Mk.1 SK 25646

99637 Ex Mk.1 CK 15854

99638 Ex Mk.1 BCK 21021

99639 Ex departmental DW150027 (GWR Siphon G 2790)

99640 Ex departmental DW150023 (GWR Siphon G 2xxx)

99641 Lot 30971(C) 1980 Ex Mk.1 RUO 1036

99642 Lot 30971(C) 1980 Ex Mk.1 RUO 1040

99643 Ex Mk.1 TSO 4272

99644 Ex Mk.1 TSO 3852

99645 Ex Mk.1 RB 1765

99646 Ex Mk.1 RB 1766

99647 Ex Mk.1 BSK 34629

99648 Ex freight stock B787017

99649 Ex Mk.1 BG 80502

99650 Ex Mk.1 BG 80830

99651 Ex Mk.1 RB 1728

99652 Ex Mk.1 SLF 2004

99653 Ex Mk.1 SLF 2005

99654 Ex Mk.1 TSO 4323

99655 Ex Mk.1 TSO 4321

99656 Ex Mk.1 TSO 4298

99657 Ex Mk.1 TSO 4569

99658 Ex Mk.1 TSO 4592

99659 Ex Mk.1 TSO 4518

99660 Ex Mk.1 BCK 21188

99661 Ex Mk.1 BG 80510

99662 Converted 1996 Ex Mk.2d TSO 5689

99663 Converted 1996 Ex Mk.2d TSO 6223 (Ex FO 3194)

99664 Converted 1996 Ex Mk.2d TSO 6231 (Ex FO 3189)

99665 Converted 1996 Ex Mk.2e TSO 5755

99666 Converted 1996 Ex Mk.2e FO 3250

 

 

From the above list, it's 99648.

 

Thanks for that exhaustive list, it should come in handy for anyone who wants to model these trains. And it seems that there already is a thread about the VIX.

 

 

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Funny my thread should come up again.  I was enjoying reading through this new thread when I discovered it earlier this afternoon.  Strangely enough, a photo of said VIX turned up awhile later in a different thread, in black with large double arrows on the doors, in a train which, IIRC had nothing to do with the Exhibition stock.  Think said livery was to do with its former existence?  The picture is on here somewhere, but unfortunately I know not where.  Hopefully someone will remember.

 

Update .  Found it - the picture of the black ferry van with the large logos, a David Larkin picture, appears on page 2 of the 'Hornby VIX FerryVans. Detailing and the new Railtec transfers' thread.  Sorry - tried to post a link but failed miserably.  HTH. 

 

Best wishes,

 

Paul

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6 hours ago, montyburns56 said:

 

Wonderful pictures! They look like they have been converted from Thompson BGs??

The nearest roof end's wrong for a Thompson - that one, at least, is a Gresley ( Maybe one of the steel-sheeted ones.).

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2 hours ago, jonhall said:

bringing another couple of threads on exhibition coaches in 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I personally am still interested in learning more about a set of at least 3 siphons in use as 'the radio show' exhibition train - I've only see 3 pictures and do not have copyright.

 

Jon

 

 

 

This is spooky. I started tge thread about the Stiff Records tour  nearly 7 years ago. I gaven't thought about it for a while but yesterday afternoon I was sitting on a station watching trains near where I now luve in France and my mate and I were talking about buying houses during the mortgage famine in 78. I told him the story of seeing the Stiff Tour train at Huddersfield. He was amazed. Then tonight up pops this link.  Some good stuff on here.

 

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Re the LNER BGs I should have read the post more carefully. In fact there were only these three vehicles in the Rea Mobile Marketing fleet, though later he chartered vehicles from BR. His three vehicles were D245 LNER no 70491/BR no M99628, D327 LNER no 70592/BR no M99626 and D327 LNER no 70630/BR no M99627. The first was teak. the others described as deal. All three ended up with preservation groups but I don't know if they still survive.

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I only saw an exhibition train once, would have been circa 1986 at Edinburgh Waverley. Didn't take any pictures, and have no memory of what was being advertised. Was parked in one of the east facing platforms and the platform itself was fenced off.

 

Fortunately could see the coaches from an adjacent platform, as that was empty. Remember having to look for the numbers, as they were on the solebars rather than the bodyside.

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19 hours ago, Wickham Green too said:

The nearest roof end's wrong for a Thompson - that one, at least, is a Gresley ( Maybe one of the steel-sheeted ones.).

 

Right, well I'm guessing that they were these three so perhaps some LNER experts can work out what they are from the Lot Numbers.

 

99626 Lot 1123 York 1945 Ex LNER BG 70592

99627 Lot 1152 York 1946 Ex LNER BG 70630

99628 Lot 983 York 1940 Ex LNER BG 70491

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18 hours ago, corneliuslundie said:

Re the LNER BGs I should have read the post more carefully. In fact there were only these three vehicles in the Rea Mobile Marketing fleet, though later he chartered vehicles from BR. His three vehicles were D245 LNER no 70491/BR no M99628, D327 LNER no 70592/BR no M99626 and D327 LNER no 70630/BR no M99627. The first was teak. the others described as deal. All three ended up with preservation groups but I don't know if they still survive.

Jonathan

 

From the RCTS site..

 

Originally 4268. Converted to Exhibition Van numbered MM3023, then renumbered 99628. Transferred to Departmental Stock as Rail Safety Exhibition Van numbered ZDB975399. Preserved at Steamtown Railway Centre, Carnforth, Lancashire 1/81. Moved to Bulmers Railway Centre, Hereford, then to Llangollen Railway 6/93, then to Doldowlod Caravan Park, Llanwrthwl 2014

 

Converted to Exhibition Van numbered M3021, then renumbered 99626. Transferred to Departmental Stock as Rail Safety Exhibition Van numbered ZDB975400. Preserved at Steamtown Railway Centre, Carnforth, Lancashire 1/81, scrapped c2006

 

Converted to Exhibition Van numbered M3022, then re-numbered 99627. Transferred to Departmental Stock as Rail Safety Exhibition Van ZDB975401. Preserved at Steamtown Railway Centre, Carnforth, Lancashire, 1/81.

 

https://rcts.org.uk/carriage-conundrums/lner-br-non-passenger-carrying-coaching-stock-disposals/lner-br-gangwayed-passenger-brakes/

 

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4 hours ago, dvdlcs said:

I only saw an exhibition train once, would have been circa 1986 at Edinburgh Waverley. Didn't take any pictures, and have no memory of what was being advertised. Was parked in one of the east facing platforms and the platform itself was fenced off.

 

Fortunately could see the coaches from an adjacent platform, as that was empty. Remember having to look for the numbers, as they were on the solebars rather than the bodyside.

 

I used to see them quite often when going places. Always parked up in a platform with bored looking people waiting for customers.

 

They would have one or two in the Exhibition livery (like the Bachmann model) then you would have about three or four scruffy BR Blue vans with the doors open and a ramp to access them. Probably not the impression they were trying to achieve.

 

 

 

Jason

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