Wheatley Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Wild Boar Fell said: I can't remember if 156s have BSIs on the intermediate coupler or not (have had very few dealings with 156s), but would imagine a semi-permanent arrangement of jumpers wouldn't be totally out of the question. Changing fully automatic BSIs for semi-automatics with jumpers (or vice versa) shouldnt be an issue, especially if you've already got the unit in bits to fit bike racks. It's already been done on 150s, some were converted to 3 cars around 1990 by splitting sets and sticking the extra vehicles on 2 car sets. It was intended to be done again for Northern but they went for 153s attached to PRM-compliant 150/2s instead, with some moderate platform extensions. Edited June 15, 2020 by Wheatley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 13 hours ago, JDW said: It would make a lot more sense and be a lot simpler to have the 153 between the two 156s, which keeps the luggage/cycle area in the centre of the train no matter what units are used in what order and still avoids the need to fit RETB if that is the case. Not fitting RETB to the 153, and using them between two Class 156 sets, would mean all Fort William services would have to be 5-car, and as most run through to or from Mallaig, those trains too. As keefer says, 3-car 156 sets were in the past formed for WHL summer services (as they were Corkerhill-allocated units, inevitably they occasionally ended up on Glasgow area suburban diagrams, with interesting consequences for docking at Glasgow Central !). So adding the 153 within the 156 would not be an issue, however if the Oban services are to become 4-car 156 sets, with the 153 workings confined to the Fort William route and inserted within an 156, that introduces two different types of set in what is already a small fleet of RETB-fitted units, leading to diagramming and operational complications. So it would seem logical to fit the 153 with RETB and diagram them on those services needing the extra capacity. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railfreight1998 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 https://www.railwaygazette.com/uk/scotrails-active-travel-coach-offers-space-for-skis-tandems-and-e-bikes/57620.article Looking very nice. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Perhaps they could develop some system whereby they could adapt the length of the train as services develop, such as adding vehicles in summer and removing them in winter, for example. They could develop some of them to carry freight only, whilst the rest had passenger seats. To avoid the need to worry about how many engines each vehicle needed, they could have them all un-powered and have one special vehicle at the front with a big main engine instead. When it gets to its destination, that vehicle at the front with the big main engine could be removed and put on the other end for the train to return. How about that as an idea? 1 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 10 hours ago, Derekstuart said: When it gets to its destination, that vehicle at the front with the big main engine could be removed and put on the other end for the train to return. You could save a lot of hassle and infrastructure by putting a driver's cab into one (or more) of the unpowered vehicles and remotely controlling the main traction power generation unit. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, Zomboid said: You could save a lot of hassle and infrastructure by putting a driver's cab into one (or more) of the unpowered vehicles and remotely controlling the main traction power generation unit. The trouble is with that idea is some bright spark will suggest ALL vehicles having cabs in them, in case they split the train in parts and then noting they will all need to have their own diesel engine fitted just in case, thereby obviating the need for one vehicle with a big engine. Before you know it someone will think about making them run in all sorts of multiples and then as they're diesel units- they'll just call them diesel multiple units, or DMU for short. You KNOW it would happen. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted October 22, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2020 Looks ideal for Hornbys 2021 range to me 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Derekstuart said: The trouble is with that idea is some bright spark will suggest ALL vehicles having cabs in them Now that would be something... Rather than dragging heavy and not especially efficient diesel engines around, you could always use some form of external power supply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Just now, Zomboid said: Now that would be something... Rather than dragging heavy and not especially efficient diesel engines around, you could always use some form of external power supply. I realise there's a limit to how far we can push this, but how about a windmill on the roof that generates power to drive traction motors. We can make these entirely green AND dispel the scientific notions of perpetual motion and the creation of energy. Or alternatively, we could go back to horse drawn carts. This has the advantage of pleasing the green movement AND everyone on the route will have the best rhubarb on the planet. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nightstar.train Posted October 22, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2020 9 hours ago, Legend said: Looks ideal for Hornbys 2021 range to me Please please please. Or an exclusive from one of the Scottish model shops. Apparently each of the 5 units will have a different livery, so this might start getting costly. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted October 22, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, nightstar.train said: Apparently each of the 5 units will have a different livery, so this might start getting costly. Something akin to Wessex Trains 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Thes should be on the Realtrack Website before Christmas. 8 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted October 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2020 10 hours ago, nightstar.train said: Please please please. Or an exclusive from one of the Scottish model shops. Apparently each of the 5 units will have a different livery, so this might start getting costly. didn’t realise there were 5 different liveries . The scenery of Scotland. Makes it even more of a no brainier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nightstar.train Posted October 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, charliepetty said: Thes should be on the Realtrack Website before Christmas. That looks lovely. Can’t wait to get one. Can you show us the other side? All the pictures I’ve seen so far are of the same side and I’m curious how they’ve done the other side. Edited October 23, 2020 by nightstar.train Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrel Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 According to the in depth report in the latest modern railways the first 3 will carry the same livery the last 2 will be different. Looks good Charlie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 6 hours ago, nightstar.train said: That looks lovely. Can’t wait to get one. Can you show us the other side? All the pictures I’ve seen so far are of the same side and I’m curious how they’ve done the other side. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nightstar.train Posted October 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 hours ago, charliepetty said: Thank you Charlie. That looks fantastic. I’ll definitely be having one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railfreight1998 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Looks like test runs have now begun. https://www.railscot.co.uk/img/77/92/ (Flickr link - not mine) 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Claude_Dreyfus Posted June 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 15, 2021 Looks very smart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 Here is one we did earlier, just need a Class 156 now !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 If this modified 153 will not be running on its own but always with a 156 in some configuration, it is just a glorified BG. So if it is going to be brought out by Hornby, should they keep the price down by not motorising it, or does it need the power so it can run on a hypothetical branch up Creag Meagaidh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 (edited) Rapido said (when talking about a "cabbage car", which is an F40 with the engine removed and converted to a baggage car hence the name - cab/baggage) that it was cheaper for them to motorise it rather than develop an unpowered chassis, the costs of which would have to be passed on in the purchase price. So they sold it with the standard powered F40 chassis. The development and manufacturing cost of unpowered vehicles isn't noticably less than that of locos, but the customers expect to pay considerably less for them. Edited July 27, 2021 by Zomboid 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted July 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 27, 2021 They seem to have started to use these in regular service now; I happened to see this as I was passing Crianlarich station yesterday: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:W90964/2021-07-26/detailed#allox_id=0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbos Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 10 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said: If this modified 153 will not be running on its own but always with a 156 in some configuration, it is just a glorified BG. So if it is going to be brought out by Hornby, should they keep the price down by not motorising it, or does it need the power so it can run on a hypothetical branch up Creag Meagaidh? The ScotRail 153 will operate on its own, but only ECS, mostly between Glasgow QS and Eastfield. Most model DMUs are sold without passengers onboard so are out of the box ECS ready! Brian. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted July 27, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 27, 2021 Hopefully they will keep them Leyland cab leading with the 156s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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