RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted August 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2021 I may have missed it, but my suggestions are for the NIR Hunslet, and some multiple units such as NIR 70 and 80 class or GNR(I) AEC and BUT railcars 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2021 6 hours ago, Flying Pig said: And not just for the GWR - the absence of any suitable rtr trailer for the various LMS locos Bachmann have made is getting beyond a joke and the same situation will arise for the LNER with the TMC G5 when that appears. Quite; more low hanging fruit and as you say most of the locos are in production or can be easily renumbered/adapted. I bang on about the GW because I know a little more about it than the other railways... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Markwj Posted August 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2021 I think the class 89 is nailed on, the longer they wait to announce the closer the model is to release so it’s not a bad thing at all. Well for me anyway! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 On 30/04/2021 at 09:48, jools1959 said: I’ve only put on the list loco’s that are physically present, that’s why I didn’t add the Class 93, even though I’m aware of it. I’m unaware of the Class 18. KR are doing the 18 now anyway! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 On 05/07/2021 at 08:04, TomScrut said: Who are the big 3? I'd have Dapol in there and they are very good at doing multiple running nos. In fact they have done 24 different HIAs, out of a total of 122 built. Not that I need more cement wagons but these JGAs are cool IMO: At least 3 liveries as well I saw some of these on the ECML last night above York, even more reason to want them! I had yet to find any evidence they were regionally relevant to me, I just thought they were cool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 11 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said: I may have missed it, but my suggestions are for the NIR Hunslet, and some multiple units such as NIR 70 and 80 class or GNR(I) AEC and BUT railcars Do you think there’d be a big enough market for them? What about the WT (one preserved in working order and with heritage RTR coaches to go with it) or the new build W Mogul? Wrong side of the UK border perhaps? Likely a Class 800 would be more poplar – most powerful steam locomotive to run in Ireland and one preserved (if not in running order). GNR(I)? Three types of express steam locos remain in running order and two with inside cylinders (not that outside valve gear is likely to frighten Accurascale). The WT, with Stanier’s three-cylinder jobs, are missing links in the development of Fowler’s excellent 2-6-4Ts. Who expected to see the words “Fowler” and “excellent” in the same sentence? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csalem Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 An 80 Class could become the basis for some nice Mark 2 loco-hauled stock. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted August 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2021 @No Decorum of course the steam locos you suggest would be good too. I was thinking of diesels with my suggestions. As to market size, Murphy Models has done OK with his selection of locos and carriages. The decision would of course be for IRM's assessment of the market. BTW there is no "wrong side of the border" as far as railways are concerned. Trains are trains. After all the UTA in the north painted everything green while CIE in the south settled on black & tan !!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted August 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Csalem said: An 80 Class could become the basis for some nice Mark 2 loco-hauled stock. Agree, it would be good to get modern tooled Mk2b coaches. Not produced AFAIK since Lima made them. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said: @No Decorum of course the steam locos you suggest would be good too. I was thinking of diesels with my suggestions. As to market size, Murphy Models has done OK with his selection of locos and carriages. The decision would of course be for IRM's assessment of the market. BTW there is no "wrong side of the border" as far as railways are concerned. Trains are trains. After all the UTA in the north painted everything green while CIE in the south settled on black & tan !!! Yes, trains are trains but I’m thinking about markets. Accurascale might not think there’s a market for something which ran only in Northern Ireland. The GNR(I) is quite a different matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted August 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2021 The Class 80 did run in Irish Rail liveries too for a while…. ( non committal comment) 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) Weeeell ................ IR logo, anyway ! Edited August 8, 2021 by Wickham Green too 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted August 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2021 I remember going on a railtour on the class 80 that visited Inchicore works and went through the Phoenix Park tunnel and also visited Navan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted August 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2021 2 hours ago, No Decorum said: Yes, trains are trains but I’m thinking about markets. Accurascale might not think there’s a market for something which ran only in Northern Ireland. The GNR(I) is quite a different matter. NIR Hunslets were purchased for and used on the Belfast - Dublin service. 80 class often travelled to Dublin and sometimes beyond. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fincra Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 I'd love to see some DV EMUs, that make use of the Servos for Pantograph(s), that raise and lower. Something like a 313, 319 or 377 (etc). 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted August 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2021 What about a Glasgow blue? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growling Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 18 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said: What about a Glasgow blue? 100%. About the best looking EMU there is and lasted well too. Some went to GMPTE too as I recall. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted August 8, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 8, 2021 45 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said: What about a Glasgow blue? Is that related to a Norwegian Blue? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 16 hours ago, No Decorum said: Do you think there’d be a big enough market for them? The 80 class is a truly iconic unit, probably the best BR built unit they never had, and can claim to be the units that saved NIR from total oblivion. They often ran south of the border, to places as far away as Cork on specials, and on Rugby and Gaelic Football specials to Dublin. They came in two and three car versions, and following damage to original intermediate cars some acquired ex-BR Mk2 b and c trailers - so we could get a Mk2c piggy backed on an 80 class project! They also have that fabulous "Thumper" soundtrack. To be honest, it's a shame BR didn't build a batch for their own services. I am speaking as a confirmed fan of the class, having worked on the Dublin-Belfast Microsoft Train Simulator route add on where we included the units, and I had great fun working on the sound files and the livery graphics. I went over to Belfast to sample one to Derry, and it was No.99 "Sir Myles Humphries" which still showed some evidence of the rebuild it had from bomb damage in 1993. Probably one of the most enjoyable train excursions I've done. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted August 9, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 9, 2021 4 hours ago, wombatofludham said: The 80 class is a truly iconic unit, probably the best BR built unit they never had, and can claim to be the units that saved NIR from total oblivion. They often ran south of the border, to places as far away as Cork on specials, and on Rugby and Gaelic Football specials to Dublin. They came in two and three car versions, and following damage to original intermediate cars some acquired ex-BR Mk2 b and c trailers - so we could get a Mk2c piggy backed on an 80 class project! They also have that fabulous "Thumper" soundtrack. To be honest, it's a shame BR didn't build a batch for their own services. I am speaking as a confirmed fan of the class, having worked on the Dublin-Belfast Microsoft Train Simulator route add on where we included the units, and I had great fun working on the sound files and the livery graphics. I went over to Belfast to sample one to Derry, and it was No.99 "Sir Myles Humphries" which still showed some evidence of the rebuild it had from bomb damage in 1993. Probably one of the most enjoyable train excursions I've done. I’m pretty sure that BR did in the early 80’s with the prototype Class 210 DEMU in both a 3 and 4 car version. I think it never progressed any further as it was quite slow to accelerate away from station stops and with the sprinter family coming on stream, it was quietly dropped. One car from the 210 lives on as a replacement intermediate trailer car on 455 913, which was damaged beyond repair when a lorry landed on it in November 2010. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted August 9, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 9, 2021 4 hours ago, wombatofludham said: The 80 class is a truly iconic unit, probably the best BR built unit they never had, and can claim to be the units that saved NIR from total oblivion. They often ran south of the border, to places as far away as Cork on specials, and on Rugby and Gaelic Football specials to Dublin. They came in two and three car versions, and following damage to original intermediate cars some acquired ex-BR Mk2 b and c trailers - so we could get a Mk2c piggy backed on an 80 class project! They also have that fabulous "Thumper" soundtrack. To be honest, it's a shame BR didn't build a batch for their own services. I am speaking as a confirmed fan of the class, having worked on the Dublin-Belfast Microsoft Train Simulator route add on where we included the units, and I had great fun working on the sound files and the livery graphics. I went over to Belfast to sample one to Derry, and it was No.99 "Sir Myles Humphries" which still showed some evidence of the rebuild it had from bomb damage in 1993. Probably one of the most enjoyable train excursions I've done. I’m pretty sure that BR did in the early 80’s with the prototype Class 210 DEMU in both a 3 and 4 car version. I think it never progressed any further as it was quite slow to accelerate away from station stops and with the sprinter family coming on stream, it was quietly dropped. One car from the 210 lives on as a replacement intermediate trailer car on 455 913, which was damaged beyond repair when a lorry landed on it in November 2010. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of IKB Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 The NIR class 80 was based on mark2 stock, whereas the 210 was mark 3, completely different. There was a mark 3 design for NIR but that wasnt a class 80. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted August 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 9, 2021 Class 210 may well have succeeded if they had put a more modern engine in it. 600hp was OK for 3 cars but not enough for 4. But having an engine compartment does take up a lot of space in a 3-car unit and makes access between two or more units difficult. The 150 used essentially the same Mk3 bodywork components but sensibly hung the engines out of the way below the floor. Just a shame that makes for a lot of noise and vibration throughout the train. As I recall, the 210 was fitted with much more comfortable seating than subsequent BR diesel units. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said: ........ makes access between two or more units difficult. ....... We, as customers passengers might value access between units but the Operators aren't so certain : I'm not sure whether you can actually get between 455s on the South Western but the Southern ones have had the gangways removed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 The 210 was a radically different unit, the two prototypes were designed to replicate the rate of acceleration of the Class 317 and part of the design concept was to multiple with electric units in a similar way to how Southern units could multiple regardless of the motive power. The need for a high installed power whilst maintaining a through corridor led to one prototype having a baby Valenta unit similar to the HST and another a then new to Britain MTU unit. It was the cost of the unit which killed the project in the water - and led to the orders for the Pacers as the PTEs didn't want such expensive trains. WMPTE then led the call for a modern DMU and with Met-Camm in their area got them to spec up a unit which prompted Provincial to commission the Class 150 and 151 prototypes with various power and transmission options. Met-Camm went for an automatic mechanical gearbox whilst BREL went for the hydro-mechanical transmission, which eventually won out to produce the Class 150s and subsequent units. The 80 class is effectively a Mk2 based Southern Thumper unit, whilst the 210 was a much higher spec diesel powered EMU with performance matching capability. The fact it was an expensive solution did at least lead to some serious design input for a simpler modern DMU which went on to effectively transform Regional services in terms of quality and frequency, so for a dead end did have some good outcomes. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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