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1 hour ago, TomScrut said:

I aren't sure of the differences so it may not work but it could well do. I aren't sure the differences are fully known yet are they?


I'm not sure anyone outside of the team working on the locos knows what they’ll look like in the end either. I’ve not seen any drawings or mock ups published or shared as far as I can remember.

 

1 hour ago, classy52 said:

AFAIK there are subtle external differences due to modernization so the body shape will be the same and based on Wikipedia entry below most of the bolt-on's will largely be the same as well with differences in certain areas.


This isn’t quite the case. From photos from EMD Longport on the WNXX forum (subscription forum so not shareable) there are new vertical WIPAC light clusters (akin to some OTP) where the original markers/reds were. The roof between the cabs looks completely different with a few class 59/66 style angled profiles and (I think) similar silencer arrangement to the sheds due to be fitted. And AFAIK there is also at least one more grille on the body side.

 

So in short quite a lot of difference. I think the cabs and underframe bits are the largest original parts being retained. It may take a lot of tooling to produce both but manufacturers have produced two similar (but different) models in the past which share some components, so may still be viable.

 

The big questions are; will they be reliable (think class 73/9 saga), where will they be used, and what liveries will they carry? If a manufacturer knew those answers in advance it may sway their decision to produce one - or not.
 

Jack.

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7 minutes ago, Jack374 said:

I'm not sure anyone outside of the team working on the locos knows what they’ll look like in the end either. I’ve not seen any drawings or mock ups published or shared as far as I can remember.

 

There was a pic of one what looks to be mid conversion in Rail a couple of weeks ago. Having revisited it it looks like quite a lot different. I won't be posting a pic on here as I'd expect it would be in violation of copyright. Not sure how photos of photos work in this respect?!

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17 minutes ago, Jack374 said:


I'm not sure anyone outside of the team working on the locos knows what they’ll look like in the end either. I’ve not seen any drawings or mock ups published or shared as far as I can remember.

 


This isn’t quite the case. From photos from EMD Longport on the WNXX forum (subscription forum so not shareable) there are new vertical WIPAC light clusters (akin to some OTP) where the original markers/reds were. The roof between the cabs looks completely different with a few class 59/66 style angled profiles and (I think) similar silencer arrangement to the sheds due to be fitted. And AFAIK there is also at least one more grille on the body side.

 

So in short quite a lot of difference. I think the cabs and underframe bits are the largest original parts being retained. It may take a lot of tooling to produce both but manufacturers have produced two similar (but different) models in the past which share some components, so may still be viable.

 

The big questions are; will they be reliable (think class 73/9 saga), where will they be used, and what liveries will they carry? If a manufacturer knew those answers in advance it may sway their decision to produce one - or not.
 

Jack.

 

Fair enough, I can only go by the information that is currently accessible within the free public forums but you have expanded via WNXX with more detail of the differences which is helpful and interesting and being an AS wish-list thread was just throwing it out there as a possible.

Must say can't wait to see the finished GBRf Class 69 and like you have pointed out whether it's going to be reliable or not?...hopefully it will be a success and other operators take it up.

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On 21/07/2020 at 09:09, James Makin said:

I voted for it as part of the recent Accurascale wishlist, but the Arbel WIA 5-car articulated car carrier would be superb to see in 4mm scale!

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Craig1989 said:

How about the Freightliner mwa box wagons 

 

Whilst they'd need painting, they maybe wouldn't take much making assuming you could source parts.

 

Wouldn't a Dapol IOA with Bachmann HHA bogies be about right?

 

Not saying it would remove the need for a RTR one more just thinking out loud. The body looks near identical to an IOA and the bogies were salvaged from HHAs AFAIK.

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On 28/07/2020 at 11:46, Davidjsmith said:

I would rather have a cartic four set !Guess it depends on the era you are modelling!Would love to see the brick liner wagons done too.

 

Not my era but I totally get the cartics.  There was a kit yonks ago. 

 

Weren't the Fletliner wagons standard FFA and FGA with containers for the bricks ? If so you need someone to 3D print the brick containers.  

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29 minutes ago, Covkid said:

 

Weren't the Fletliner wagons standard FFA and FGA with containers for the bricks ? If so you need someone to 3D print the brick containers

Any one offering if this is true?Could someone please confirm?

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17 hours ago, Covkid said:

Weren't the Fletliner wagons standard FFA and FGA with containers for the bricks ? If so you need someone to 3D print the brick containers.  

 

16 hours ago, Davidjsmith said:

Any one offering if this is true?Could someone please confirm?

 

Done some googling and this document has some info

http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2015/07/Hornby-trix-triang-and-bricks.html

including some piccies.  I didn't realise some of the brick containers had lids but am sure they are FFA and FGA - twistloks on the solebars. 

 

fletlinertrain.jpgfletliner.jpg

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I would love to see the original JGA wagons built for Hall Aggregates (later RMC) as produced by Standard Wagon.

 

Started off on the Southern Region in 1984 working sea-dredged aggregates on the Newhaven to Tolworth/Crawley circuit. Later transferred to the pool working from Peak Forest to many Northern/Midland destinations and latterly also ended up working from the Mendips to London.

 

A long lasting design (30+ years) and widespread usage. Quite good looking wagons too; if you like that sort of thing !!

 

Useful info here....

 

https://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_013.php

 

 

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