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My philosophy mentioned in a previous post, close enough is good enough, has been my mantra for all my hobby years with all sorts if models, to my present tinplate layout where there isn't a lot of leeway!;)  But then I wouldn't know a 47XXX from a Gronk!:unsure:

      Brian.

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10 hours ago, Regularity said:

 

You demean yourself, Tim.

You state that I am right, then you accuse me of being mean-minded.

 

Very bad show.

I am right about many things.

Saying it in some cases would be very wrong.

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13 hours ago, Regularity said:

Apart from the poor front end shape, and the sole bars which the prototype didn't have, that's a lovely weathering job.

 

But why bother with going for the accuracy of P4, if you run such as this on it (it's akin to leaving the under-boiler skirts on a steam loco), especially when if you wait a few months, you could buy a nice and accurate model from SLW?

(If it's a stand-in, well, OK, but why take a photo of it at all?)

 

For sake of argument, that's a largely rhetorical question, but there seems to me to be little point in trying to get things right (which is what P4 is about - "it's not just the track and wheels"), and then run something which looks wrong on 00 track, just because it's easy to re-wheel. Anyone going the whole hog, which is what "proto scales" are all about, needs to be consistent and apply the same discernment to everything.

 

Well, that's P4 modellers for you!

 

Mike.

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14 hours ago, Regularity said:

Apart from the poor front end shape, and the sole bars which the prototype didn't have, that's a lovely weathering job.

 

But why bother with going for the accuracy of P4, if you run such as this on it (it's akin to leaving the under-boiler skirts on a steam loco), especially when if you wait a few months, you could buy a nice and accurate model from SLW?

(If it's a stand-in, well, OK, but why take a photo of it at all?)

 

For sake of argument, that's a largely rhetorical question, but there seems to me to be little point in trying to get things right (which is what P4 is about - "it's not just the track and wheels"), and then run something which looks wrong on 00 track, just because it's easy to re-wheel. Anyone going the whole hog, which is what "proto scales" are all about, needs to be consistent and apply the same discernment to everything.

 

My thoughts are that your comment in the footer of your posts applies to you in this post.

My upbringing included the mantra "if you can't find any thing constructive to say then keep it shut".

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Boy am I glad I got in quick with my appreciation of the offending pics.

 

I recognised that there would be shortcomings in my efforts, hence my

building a cartoon, not a masterpiece.

 

Here there will be those troubled by their knowledge of "facts", re the profile

of the model, which others will only consider in their overall appreciation

of the offering. (It could be argued the P4 aspect is enhancing the setting

as opposed to the loco).

 

I had written a good few more paragraphs here, but have erased them to say...

What is important is that we take this as a bit bit of a wake up call, with

regard to how we conduct our discussions. Which I would say should be

considerate of others, and not personal.

 

And if a class 25 looks like a class 24, cest la vie.

 

TONY

 

p.s. I still like it, but I'd like to see better.

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13 hours ago, Regularity said:

I realise that not everyone sees the faults in the Bachman model, and that’s fair enough

Oh don't worry, Simon, as I said before, we are aware of it's faults.

 

It's just that it doesn't bother us.

 

You have to choose your priorities in this life and in model railway terms, the Bachmann Class 25 isn't one of mine (or John's). I do have model railway things that I come over all unnecessary about, but not this one!

 

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13 hours ago, Regularity said:

But apparently wanting things to look right is is inconsiderate and puts me in a minority. I shall leave the rest of you to to play with your toys, however accurate the track gauge may or may not be

But Simon, there you go again. Why not just leave it?

 

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13 hours ago, Regularity said:

 

You demean yourself, Tim.

You state that I am right, then you accuse me of being mean-minded.

 

Very bad show.

I have no problem with what I wrote last night, Simon.

 

'Demean myself' in defence of a friend's choices? No, I don't think so.

 

Your words were those of a troll and it is you who should have known better. I was surprised and disappointed to see your completely unnecessary dig.

 

Shame on you.

 

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2 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

Well, that's P4 modellers for you!

 

Mike.

Mike, I didn't have any argument with you, so I wonder why you feel it necessary to pitch in with a seemingly anti-P4 comment.

 

If you lived anywhere near us and if our Area Group was meeting in person near Teignmouth again (hopefully later this year), then I would invite you to come along to a meeting and see the sheer variety of modellers that we have in our group (a significant number of which don't even model in P4!).

 

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16 hours ago, Regularity said:

Apart from the poor front end shape, and the sole bars which the prototype didn't have, that's a lovely weathering job.

 

 


I think it's remarkably careless of Derby and Beyer-Peacock to leave off what must be an essential structural item.

Still looks enough like a class 25 to pass muster with me though.

 

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16 hours ago, Regularity said:

For sake of argument, that's a largely rhetorical question, but there seems to me to be little point in trying to get things right (which is what P4 is about - "it's not just the track and wheels"), and then run something which looks wrong on 00 track, just because it's easy to re-wheel. Anyone going the whole hog, which is what "proto scales" are all about, needs to be consistent and apply the same discernment to everything.

Thinking about this, I do wonder (for example) if all members of the Conservative, Labour, LibDem etc. parties actually believe wholeheartedly, 100% in absolutely everything that is written, confirmed party policy, or whether there are actually (shock horror) dissenting views in every such organisation?

 

(Rhetorical question, no obligation to respond implied).

 

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7 minutes ago, 2mmMark said:

 

They've sold their soles to the devil.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said:

Is that why fish is so expensive?

 

 

 

Dover. 

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17 hours ago, david51 said:

Do you know ,I didn’t notice the solebars or poor front end shape. What I noticed was an absolutely beautiful weathering job that made the model look very realistic. Virtually all model railways are a compromise but it’s the overall impression that counts in my view , and yours is superb.  Keep up the good work.  

Quite so, looks fantastic to me, far better than I could do!

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15 hours ago, Regularity said:

 

You demean yourself, Tim.

You state that I am right, then you accuse me of being mean-minded.

 

Very bad show.

But you were the one who began p*ssing on someone else's model railway.

 

No doubt there are things everyone can do to make their models more accurate - but it's never going to be authentic unless it has real boilers or real traction motors operated by real little people and the train actually goes somewhere when it enters the big black hole to oblivion.

 

Railway modelling is a broad church and in many cases it is a personal endeavour and it only needs to be as good as the person who built it wants it to be regardless of whether it is N, 2mm finescale, OO, EM, P4 or 0.  They are built to be enjoyed and hopefully shared, but if someone can share a model as good as this and be sneered at by another fellow modeller, why should I who does not possess the skills of many of the good modellers on this site ever want to show what I can produce in the knowledge that someone is going to sneer at my attempt.

 

We've been here before on Wrights Writes - people can ask for help to improve accuracy and then people can comment openly as the criticism (which still feels a strong word) has been invited, but to simply pore scorn on someone's models is poor form.

 

If you need to do it because you're compelled, do it privately in a PM or is that not the point, it wasn't to help the modeller it was simply to publically shame.

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3 hours ago, Captain Kernow said:

Mike, I didn't have any argument with you, so I wonder why you feel it necessary to pitch in with a seemingly anti-P4 comment.

 

If you lived anywhere near us and if our Area Group was meeting in person near Teignmouth again (hopefully later this year), then I would invite you to come along to a meeting and see the sheer variety of modellers that we have in our group (a significant number of which don't even model in P4!).

 

 

Nor me an argument with you, it was a tongue in cheek comment which was intended to be taken in the spirit it was given.

I am a member of both the EMGS and P4 society, and when in the UK attended my local area group of the P4 society, where plenty of banter was had between those of us with disparate modelling interests, indeed, some even modelled the GWR and I still went!

Apologies if the comment came across too severely, but that is the problem with the printed word, things don't always get conveyed in the spirit they are sent.

 

Mike.

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Fair comment and thanks, Mike.

 

Perhaps you might even feel sorry for the lone LNER modeller in our local group, amid the hoards of GW and other modellers! (we are kind to him, though and ensure he always has enough tea and biscuits!).

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said:

 

 

Perhaps you might even feel sorry for the lone LNER modeller in our local group, amid the hoards of GW and other modellers! (we are kind to him, though and ensure he always has enough tea and biscuits!).

 

 

 

...... tea and biscuits maybe but I notice cake is not on that list - quite right too!

 

Jerry

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14 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said:

Fair comment and thanks, Mike.

 

Perhaps you might even feel sorry for the lone LNER modeller in our local group, amid the hoards of GW and other modellers! (we are kind to him, though and ensure he always has enough tea and biscuits!).

 

 

 

Well, they are green engines sometimes, so perhaps he can be allowed to get away with it!

 

Mike.

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I'm sure that there's a whole new fascinating and possibly incendiary topic on how we might question each others choices. I don't think that this thread is the place for it but I would like to point out that tact always pays dividends, not that I'm always blessed with it in sufficient quantities.

 

9 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said:

Fair comment and thanks, Mike.

 

Perhaps you might even feel sorry for the lone LNER modeller in our local group, amid the hoards of GW and other modellers! (we are kind to him, though and ensure he always has enough tea and biscuits!).

 

 

 

Why feel sorry for the lone fan of the LNER, he's so obviously made the best choice of subject for his endeavours. I am however heartened to learn of no discrimination in the allocation of tea and biscuits. Swagonia must indeed occupy the space between workers cooperative and socialist utopia.

 

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