Parkend Marsh Sidings in P4

[Captain Kernow]

2 hours ago, Paul H Vigor said:

My copy of H. W. Paar is packed away in a box, but do I recall a reference to something a little more exotic becoming derailed in the Forest? Was it a 43xx Mogul up the Coleford branch?

I'm not sure about a 43XX mogul, you may be right on that one, but the Silver Link book on the FoD lines (Vol. 2, I think), has a photo of one of Gloucester's 78XXX moguls on the Coleford branch. It couldn't manage the load and had to be rescued by a pannier.

 

[Paul H Vigor]

1 hour ago, Captain Kernow said:

I'm not sure about a 43XX mogul, you may be right on that one, but the Silver Link book on the FoD lines (Vol. 2, I think), has a photo of one of Gloucester's 78XXX moguls on the Coleford branch. It couldn't manage the load and had to be rescued by a pannier.

 

That might have been it? Its been an age since I read those books!

[Captain Kernow]

Unfortunately (for me), it's perhaps a hint that I ought to take more of an interest in the forthcoming new Hornby release!

 

[Re6/6]

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Edited April 9, 2021 by Re6/6

[Mulgabill]

26 minutes ago, Re6/6 said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Absolutely stunning John.

 

I've liked whats gone before, but this happened to open directly to the first photo, and it just

hit me like a wet fish to the face. Brilliant, absolutely captures a place I know well.

 

TONY

[Re6/6]

Thank you Tony. Very kind.

 

Progress has been rather slow lately but now that the warmer weather is with us (well better than it was in the depths of winter in the garden shed!), efforts will be revitalized!

 

The next task will be to make new beech trees for the headshunt area as the ones used at the moment (ex Balcombe) are incorrect and temporary. The scenics are only in their first stage and need to be expanded.

 

Part of the connection to the station will be the next to be built.

 

    

 

 

Edited April 9, 2021 by Re6/6

[D602bulldog]

22 hours ago, Re6/6 said:

Thank you Tony. Very kind.

 

Progress has been rather slow lately but now that the warmer weather is with us (well better than it was in the depths of winter in the garden shed!), efforts will be revitalized!

 

The next task will be to make new beech trees for the headshunt area as the ones used at the moment (ex Balcombe) are incorrect and temporary. The scenics are only in their first stage and need to be expanded.

 

Part of the connection to the station will be the next to be built.

 

    

 

 

How nice would that be the line right outside your front door sit in your bedroom train spotting 

[Neil]

Looking forward to the station connection John, some very charming and characterful buildings there.

[Enterprisingwestern]

 

Personally, I find the going away view more interesting and modellable than the (excellently modelled I hasten to add) actual sidings.

 

Mike.

[Ramblin Rich]

I'm not familiar with the area, so seeing those latest images is very inspiring. I love the idea of a main line loco easing past the doors of the cottages - with no fencing at all. A bit like the  old town section of the Welshpool & Llanfair, but standard gauge!

[NHY 581]

What a smashing image of a simply splendid model. 

 

 

Spot on. 

[Regularity]

23 minutes ago, NHY 581 said:

What a smashing image of a simply splendid model. 

Apart from the poor front end shape, and the sole bars which the prototype didn't have, that's a lovely weathering job.

 

But why bother with going for the accuracy of P4, if you run such as this on it (it's akin to leaving the under-boiler skirts on a steam loco), especially when if you wait a few months, you could buy a nice and accurate model from SLW?

(If it's a stand-in, well, OK, but why take a photo of it at all?)

 

For sake of argument, that's a largely rhetorical question, but there seems to me to be little point in trying to get things right (which is what P4 is about - "it's not just the track and wheels"), and then run something which looks wrong on 00 track, just because it's easy to re-wheel. Anyone going the whole hog, which is what "proto scales" are all about, needs to be consistent and apply the same discernment to everything.

[bgman]

1 hour ago, Regularity said:

(If it's a stand-in, well, OK, but why take a photo of it at all?)

 

May I respectfully suggest it is down to the owner and his own preferences, plus it is for the rest of us to admire and I for one certainly do.

 

(As you point out in your personal submission .....Nowt so queer as folk ) .......I must be one of them and a railway modeller too !!! 

 

[david51]

Do you know ,I didn’t notice the solebars or poor front end shape. What I noticed was an absolutely beautiful weathering job that made the model look very realistic. Virtually all model railways are a compromise but it’s the overall impression that counts in my view , and yours is superb.  Keep up the good work.  

[Captain Kernow]

1 hour ago, Regularity said:

Apart from the poor front end shape, and the sole bars which the prototype didn't have, that's a lovely weathering job.

 

But why bother with going for the accuracy of P4, if you run such as this on it (it's akin to leaving the under-boiler skirts on a steam loco), especially when if you wait a few months, you could buy a nice and accurate model from SLW?

(If it's a stand-in, well, OK, but why take a photo of it at all?)

 

For sake of argument, that's a largely rhetorical question, but there seems to me to be little point in trying to get things right (which is what P4 is about - "it's not just the track and wheels"), and then run something which looks wrong on 00 track, just because it's easy to re-wheel. Anyone going the whole hog, which is what "proto scales" are all about, needs to be consistent and apply the same discernment to everything.

Oh Simon, yes, you're right, but please, don't start!

 

The Captain's Black 5 Rule applies here 

 

[NHY 581]

1 hour ago, Regularity said:

Apart from the poor front end shape, and the sole bars which the prototype didn't have, that's a lovely weathering job.

 

But why bother with going for the accuracy of P4, if you run such as this on it (it's akin to leaving the under-boiler skirts on a steam loco), especially when if you wait a few months, you could buy a nice and accurate model from SLW?

(If it's a stand-in, well, OK, but why take a photo of it at all?)

 

For sake of argument, that's a largely rhetorical question, but there seems to me to be little point in trying to get things right (which is what P4 is about - "it's not just the track and wheels"), and then run something which looks wrong on 00 track, just because it's easy to re-wheel. Anyone going the whole hog, which is what "proto scales" are all about, needs to be consistent and apply the same discernment to everything.

 

 

This seems very harsh. Your comments in no way alter my view of what I consider to be a very well presented model. 

 

Rob. 

[Captain Kernow]

32 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said:

Oh Simon, yes, you're right, but please, don't start!

 

The Captain's Black 5 Rule applies here 

 

You know what Simon, here's another one of 'em!

 

This one is my own model, posing on Marsh Sidings in a Governmentally-approved and socially distanced kind of way.

 

And yes, it's the same number as John's, but we will probably not be running them at exactly the same time as each other.

 

John and I are both well aware of the shrill discontent espoused by some D&E enthusiasts about the shape of the original Bachmann Class 25, because we have discussed it more than once. I am most definitely not an expert on most diesel classes. This doesn't worry me, so nor do these 'shortcomings'. To me, if something looks like a Black 5, then it must be a Black 5 and if it wasn't for the internet and all these folk, telling us how upset they are at Bachmann's apparent inability to get the shape exactly, precisely right, then most of us would still be in blissful ignorance.

 

You mention the SLW Class 25 and I do actually have one of these on order, but I will most definitely not be retiring the one in the photo above.

 

That is because it is one of my favourite locos. I like it. It is one of only two locos that I converted from my OO fleet to P4. Both our Bachmann Class 25s run like sewing machines, too.

 

I know that John is really pleased with his purchase, because of the lovely weathering job. Why do you have to spoil this pleasure with such unnecessary and mean-minded pedantry?

 

Edited April 10, 2021 by Captain Kernow
Parsnips.

[LBRJ]

40 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said:

Oh Simon, yes, you're right, but please, don't start!

 

The Captain's Black 5 Rule applies here 

 

 

I too am a great believer in the Captain's Rule...

At the very least it is a very good place to start from.

 

I also think that having snide digs at a set of aspirational standards is bad form  

[The Fatadder]

Just because the track has been modelled accurately, I don’t see why everything else has to be modelled to the nth degree.   I certainly found my P4 modelling a lot more enjoyable once I accepted the fact that not everything needs to be 100% perfect!

[NHY 581]

6 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said:

You know what Simon, here's another one of 'em!

 

To me, if something looks like a Black 5, then it must be a Black 5 and if it wasn't for the internet and all these folk, telling us how upset they are at Bachmann's apparent inability to get the shape exactly, precisely right, then most of us would still be in blissful ignorance.

 

That is because it is one of my favourite locos. I like it. 

 

I know that John is really pleased with his purchase, because of the lovely weathering job. Why do you have to spoil this pleasure with such unnecessary and mean-minded pedantry?

 

 

 

Tim, 

 

I totally concur with your sentiments.  This hobby is all about the enjoyment it brings to the individual. Regretably,  this is something which is oft trampled upon by those who sadly have a desire to demonstrate their apparent knowledge with little or no regard shown for the effects this can have on others. To me this is a case in point.

 

I spent many years watching and photographing Class 25s at the lineside. I don't profess to have any specialist knowledge of them or any other diesel for that matter but this  also happens to be one of my favourite classes. This model certainly looks the part to me and, it would appear, does to others as well. 

 

I must say I found the lack of consideration in this case simply  astounding. 

 

 

Rob.  

[bgman]

As an aside I have fond memories of the Class 25.

 

Many years ago as a young-ish gricer I happened to be sitting on Banbury Station one summer Sunday early evening. One of the local drivers I had got to know over the years knocked on my car window and asked if I was doing anything special for the next few hours.

 

I replied that I was only watching the traffic going through, to which he asked if I would like to keep him company in the Class 25 parked up in the sidings. He had to take it to Bescot and return with another for the next day.

 

Well.....of course I went ! 

 

My first cab ride in a diseesel and I thoroughly enjoyed the evening as "second man" although I had to be aware of anyone asking why I was there. That said all went well and it's a journey I will always remember.

[Regularity]

To me, it just doesn’t look like a 25, but it can be made to look more like one.

Hornby’s model from the late 70s captured the outline better, but still had it’s faults.

 

I did say that my question was largely rhetorical, but if it doesn’t capture the look of a class 25, then no amount of weathering or P4 conversion will change that, and I wonder why anyone goes so far as to build track and re-wheel stock, if at the end of the day, something as simple as the correct proportions and details aren’t replicated.

 

I realise that not everyone sees the faults in the Bachman model, and that’s fair enough, but the simple fact is, like the Heljan models in 0 gauge, it doesn’t capture the look of a distinctive prototype accurately enough to be worth placing on a really nice layout.

 

But apparently wanting things to look right is is inconsiderate and puts me in a minority. I shall leave the rest of you to to play with your toys, however accurate the track gauge may or may not be: these are your choices, but I agree that proportion and colour are much more important that absolute scale accuracy. It’s a shame that in a desire to virtue-signal their own “to,erance”, people haven’t taken the courtesy - as Tim has - to engage in understanding my point, even if he is also being a touch mischievous and playful with it.

[Regularity]

1 hour ago, Captain Kernow said:

Oh Simon, yes, you're right, but please, don't start!

 

 

49 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said:

Why do you have to spoil this pleasure with such unnecessary and mean-minded pedantry?

 

You demean yourself, Tim.

You state that I am right, then you accuse me of being mean-minded.

 

Very bad show.

[Chrisr40]

What ever happened to if you cant say something nice, dont say anything at all ?