Guest Jack Benson Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) A few years ago before the Hornby/Bachmann versions were announced, I began upgrading Lima 40t SR hoppers. They were repainted, relettered (CCT decals) fitted with Kadees and RP25 wheels in lieu of Lima's shirt buttons. No UK source of these odd sized wheels but I found a reliable source in Germany Click here This is the result Cheers and Stay Safe Edited September 22, 2020 by Guest Updated link to https://www.modellbahn-radsatz.de/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Hopefully you used the Cambrian one piece Gloucester bogie, the earlier 3 piece was a pig, because one of the holes for bearings was in the wrong place, you could build the bogie square. OR with both axles parallel, but not both! I ended up doing a little etched frame because I couldn't build them, then had a horrible few minutes when one of the sideframes didn't match, before I realised that the problem was Cambrians, not mine! Jon 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, jonhall said: Hopefully you used the Cambrian one piece Gloucester bogie, the earlier 3 piece was a pig, because one of the holes for bearings was in the wrong place, you could build the bogie square. OR with both axles parallel, but not both! I ended up doing a little etched frame because I couldn't build them, then had a horrible few minutes when one of the sideframes didn't match, before I realised that the problem was Cambrians, not mine! Jon So it wasn't just me, Jon! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack Benson Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 John, No other modification other than those mentioned, the German wheels transformed both the appearance and running quality of the Lima product, which was the reason why they were mentioned. No need to faff around with awful Cambrian bogie pivots or any other nonsense, just pop and drop the wheels. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Jack, Did you up-grade the bogies with new axle-box covers? I thought the Lima bogies had rectangular sloping ones, totally different to anything I've seen in the UK. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave parker Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 HI A1 models did etched brass fold up frames for these to attached either cambrian or white metal bogie sides to them . not sure if John at A1 Models still does them Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 those aren't the lima sealion/cow bogies I've ever seen. Jon 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack Benson Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, jonhall said: those aren't the lima sealion/cow bogies I've ever seen. Jon The statement ‘No other modification other than those mentioned’ seems to have been ignored. No further comment seems necessary as everything was fully explained in the OP. Cheers and Stay Safe Edited June 28, 2020 by Jack Benson Hurt feelings Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Jack Benson said: I suppose that a sigh of exasperation would be appropriate but the statement ‘No other modification other than those mentioned’ seems to have been ignored. No further comment seems necessary as everything was fully explained in the OP. Cheers and Stay Safe Jack, maybee it has been ignored - because as I said, those don't look like any Lima Gloucester bogie I've ever seen, however since you have taken that tone, I went and photographed my out of the box Lima seacow and it looks like this: Note the flat fronted axleboxes that Brian pointed out. In fact on closer inspection in your photo you haven't mentioned about the extra brake pipes, the extra handrail on the end, or the totally different way of mounting the handrail, or that the rivet pattern doesn't match the Lima one either, so I might go so far as to say - that isn't a LIMA seacow. Sigh to your hearts content. Jon Edited June 28, 2020 by jonhall 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack Benson Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 This is odd, we originally posted pictures of our Lima 40t hoppers on Feb 9 2011 but since then have bought another six examples which appear to be different. Certainly of the initial batch at least one of them has the square axlebox covers but at least one other has the triangular covers, all were packaged in Lima boxes on arrival. The second batch all have square axlebox covers, again they all were purchased over a couple of months and arrived in Lima boxes. Looks like we have mystery but no need to get over excited otherwise missing the point completely of posting a simple upgrade for the sake of pedantry. This supposed to be a hobby and the response to the post has been less than encouraging. Cheers and Stay Safe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jack Benson said: This is odd, we originally posted pictures of our Lima 40t hoppers on Feb 9 2011 but since then have bought another six examples which appear to be different. Certainly of the initial batch at least one of them has the square axlebox covers but at least one other has the triangular covers, all were packaged in Lima boxes on arrival. The second batch all have square axlebox covers, again they all were purchased over a couple of months and arrived in Lima boxes. Looks like we have mystery but no need to get over excited otherwise missing the point completely of posting a simple upgrade for the sake of pedantry. This supposed to be a hobby and the response to the post has been less than encouraging. Cheers and Stay Safe I don't think there is much mystery, the Cambrian bogie swap has been pretty widespread on Lima Seacows for decades, I was going to suggest that you must have bought one that had already had the conversion, but since it clearly isn't a Lima one, I assume its one of the Cambrian ones built by someone else. Unfortunately the Cambrian Gloucester bogie is just as wrong for BR black wagons, I'm pretty sure that they are from a batch built in the 1970's. Cambrian do (now) do types suitable for the earlier cast and I believe plate versions of the earlier Walrus types, but they are a relatively recent development. If you hadnt been such a knob with your own replies the tone of this thread might have been rather different, but I understand from other members that you could start an argument in an empty room Jon 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted June 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 30, 2020 It’s always satisfying to improve a basic rtr wagon and those hoppers look great. I don’t care what they say. Nil carborundum Cheers Darius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack Benson Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Darius, Another example of an upgraded 40t hopper, first posted almost ten years ago. Thanks, stay safe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 46444 Posted June 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 30, 2020 On 28/06/2020 at 10:39, Jack Benson said: A few years ago before the Hornby/Bachmann versions were announced, I began upgrading Lima 40t SR hoppers. They were repainted, relettered (CCT decals) fitted with Kadees and RP25 wheels in lieu of Lima's shirt buttons. No UK source of these odd sized wheels but I found a reliable source in Germany Click here This is the result Cheers and Stay Safe Those bogies look like a North American Barber style truck from Kadee. Nicely finished. Certainly lifts it to another level. Mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowlander Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) Hi Mark Just to let you know. I tried your link. It doesn't seem to work anymore. Regards Stephen Edited July 1, 2020 by ayrmrg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack Benson Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 On 01/07/2020 at 08:25, ayrmrg said: Hi Mark Just to let you know. I tried your link. It doesn't seem to work anymore. Regards Stephen The link to https://www.modellbahn-radsatz.de/ has been updated. Cheers and Stay Safe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnick Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Sorry to piggyback but I was looking at doing similar upgrade having been inspired by this guide from Muz: https://sremg.org.uk/model/lima-sea-to-40t-hop.html However given that his suggestion isn't really feasible:"Cast white metal buffers from ABS (SR Brake Van Buffers) were used to replace the later BR style." Are there any other sources for the correct buffers? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 I don't regard the Lima bogies as totally useless. I have a pair of Lima Seacows which I plan to convert to Walrus (Walruses? Walri?) I've been looking at photos and noticed that the Lima bogies are not unlike (best way to put it) the American style AAR Cast Steel bogies fitted to the 20 SR Diagram 1775 wagons, DS62055-74. Since my conversions won't be 100% accurate anyway (I plan to change the brake cylinders, vacuum pipes and buffers, anything else I'll live in blissful ignorance), they're acceptable. Wheels already replaced with Peter's Spares items. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian G Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I read somewhere that the Walrus is shorter than the Sealion, the ends are 5.3mm shorter than a sea lion. I have 3 sofar to do and will use Rumney Models bogies to P4. I will get a Cambrian Walrus just to compare the differences https://website.rumneymodels.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Rumney_Model_Freight_Bogie_Instructions.pdf Ian G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted June 1, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) I converted 3 a couple of months ago. Whilst the lima wagons are slightly too long to be a totally accurate model I decided I could live with it so I removed the air brake equipment places Vac cylinders at either end and fitted cambrian plate back bogies Edited June 1, 2022 by russ p 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian G Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Who does transfers for the Walrus? Ian G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted June 5, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 5, 2022 52 minutes ago, Ian G said: Who does transfers for the Walrus? Ian G I can't remember for sure but either realtec or modelmaster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Modelmaster sheet 4662 ( (I bought it in for my Lima jobbies mentioned above). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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