Identifying a King and a Castle

[SP Steve]

Hopefully someone may be able to help me identify the following engines - withdrawn 'King' at Woodhams and a 'Castle' seen at Cardiff Central (may be wrong even on this point mind).

 

Other than that I can't really add much else but someone may be able to put flesh on the bones!

 

 

 

 

Edited March 31, 2022 by SP Steve
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[tomparryharry]

Have a quick look at the leading bogie, Steve. The Castle will have its all 4 wheels exposed. The King, on the other hand, will have the leading bogie as a special case, with both inside & outside framing, with a distinctive 'joggle' between the first & second wheels. 

 

The Castle bogie also applies to Stars.

 

Hope that helps,

Ian.

[Steamport Southport]

The King is 6024 with 6023 in front.

 

 

 

Jason

[WillCav]

The Castle has a second row on the nameplate probably for Castle Class. Looks like two words above - first word longer?

My guesses is Viscount Horne 5086 or Viscount Portal 7000 based on name shape alone. 

Will

 

[Steamport Southport]

The Castle is one of the ones with Castle Class on the plates. It has a two word name. I don't think it's an Abbey.

 

I've a feeling it's either Fairey Battle or Lockheed Hudson as it's a later version with the boxy inside cylinder cover.

 

Although it could be a Viscount as mentioned above. Forgot about those.

 

 

Jason

Edited June 28, 2020 by Steamport Southport

[The Stationmaster]

I reckon the 'Castle' is most likely 5091, 'Cleeve Abbey'. although the first word on the nameplate could be a bit long.  But it has the low position cabside handrail anda. cab roof vent, as on 5091, plus the lubricator in the right place for that livery.   'Cleeve Abbey' was a South Wales engine at various sheds over the years plus the only view of it I can find show it with a Collett tender.

 

5077 'Fairey Battle' - also a South Wales engine  but it had the cabside handrail in the usual place

Edited June 28, 2020 by The Stationmaster

[SP Steve]

13 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

I reckon the 'Castle' is most likely 5091, 'Cleeve Abbey'. although the first word on the nameplate could be a bit long.  But it has the low position cabside handrail anda. cab roof vent, as on 5091, plus the lubricator in the right place for that livery.   'Cleeve Abbey' was a South Wales engine at various sheds over the years plus the only view of it I can find show it with a Collett tender.

 

5077 'Fairey Battle' - also a South Wales engine  but it had the cabside handrail in the usual place

 

Many thanks for all the help - I will try and do a better scan as the first one was a little rushed.

 

Looking at the nameplate the last letter of the first word is 'E' but hopefully a better scan will endorse 'Cleeve Abbey' as the likely candidate.

[SP Steve]

I've redone the scan at a higher resolution and sharpened it up slightly - the nameplate's first word would appear to end in 'VE' so many thanks to Stationmaster for your help.

 

Here's the full image - I presume 'Z43' was a special working but would it have originated on the Western region or would it have come from further afield? (my carriage recognition skills are on a par with my GWR loco knowledge).

 

 

 

Edited March 31, 2022 by SP Steve

[The Stationmaster]

The trains is standing on the Up through line at Cardiff General and is an empty stock.  So it's heading east, for a WR destination, having originated in South Wales