Bomag Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Darius43 said: It was a Collectors Club special and was the standard Mk1 sleeper painted in Royal Train livery - so presumably not accurate as not based on the Mk1 Pullman. Cheers Darius The Royal train sleepers were a SLF (2908) and SLSTP (2909), the Bachmann/Farish was correct (except possibly the retention loos). The picture above with converted Mk1 Pullmans is the Royal Scotsman train. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 17 hours ago, MGR Hooper! said: Anyone got any more images of these Mk1 Sleepers? Yes, although they aren't really close ups. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Two of the 1980s Royal Scotsman sleepers appear to have been 2108 and 2110: http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=1179 http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=1180 I think the third was 2127 but it is in a different livery here: http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=1181 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted July 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 2, 2020 There is a picture of the two Royal Train Mk1 sleepers here: https://flic.kr/p/22BmLqJ 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 1988 Platform 5 book lists E2108 (new number 99883) and 2110 (99885). The other coaches listed are Ex-LNWR 5159 (99880) Ex-GNR 807 (99881) Mk1 SK E19169 (99882) Mk1 SK E19208 (99884) Mk1 BSK E35407 (99886) All are vacuum brake & steam heat. Owned by Thomas Hill & Co., Rotherham and kept at EC (Craigentinny). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, keefer said: 1988 Platform 5 book lists E2108 (new number 99883) and 2110 (99885). The other coaches listed are Ex-LNWR 5159 (99880) Ex-GNR 807 (99881) Mk1 SK E19169 (99882) Mk1 SK E19208 (99884) Mk1 BSK E35407 (99886) All are vacuum brake & steam heat. Owned by Thomas Hill & Co., Rotherham and kept at EC (Craigentinny). I've just checked the 1989 Platform 5 and that adds 99887 ex 2127 Mk1 SLF to the above so that was the third sleeper in the train. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 Are there any Mk1 Sleepers still intact anywhere? I know their asbestos content and potential practical usage outside of static volunteer accommodation put paid to any realistic preservation prospects. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 27 minutes ago, John M Upton said: Are there any Mk1 Sleepers still intact anywhere? I know their asbestos content and potential practical usage outside of static volunteer accommodation put paid to any realistic preservation prospects. SLF 2080 and 2132 SLC 2442 are preserved in the normal sense. 2108, 2110, 2127 and 2500 exist in degrees of decrepitude in the WCRC dump at Carnforth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 Haven't got Parkin to hand but did all Sleepers have asbestos or was it just certain batches? Presumably the usual mk1 body corrosion might be another issue anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 All Mk1 sleepers were filled with asbestos IIRC. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardbealach Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 While I appreciate the fitting out of the interior of sleeping cars, I do recall when they were in service that, more often than not, the blinds would be drawn down, for privacy and to darken the sleeping compartments. Or often they might be just partially pulled down. So you could not see into the compartments. And I do not recall from the occasions that I travelled in them that there were any blinds on the windows to the corridor side. (AM) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, Gwiwer said: All Mk1 sleepers were filled with asbestos IIRC. One survived very local to me at Bisley station until only last year or so. It was in superb condition and most of the interior was intact apparently, but is had to be disposed of in the correct manner, not sold into preservation. I understand the one at Peak Rail is reasonably complete, the former Royal Scotsman one at Bluebell is deteriorating badly. If not careful, railway preservation could wipe out an entire coach type without noticing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Northmoor said: If not careful, railway preservation could wipe out an entire coach type without noticing. Well, they've all but managed it with the XP64's, so no change there then! Mike. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveyDee68 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 On 30/06/2020 at 05:10, MGR Hooper! said: Got a couple of older Hornby Mk1 Sleeper coaches, they're in a pretty bad condition, so I am thinking of restoring them. Both of them have the B5 bogies, so I was wanting to know how many liveries did the Mk1 Sleeper coach carry when they had B5 bogies under them? I am also led to believe that the Hornby Mk1 Sleeper coaches didn't come with interiors, does anyone have a diagram of the interior layout and images so that I can 3D print an interior for the two coaches I have? Lastly, is there any glazing kits for the Mk1 Sleeper coaches from Hornby? TIA Hopefully you will put up how you go about improving your sleepers - I'm amassing a few, mainly Triang and Hornby, with the idea of 'improving' them as I read somewhere on RMWeb that these were quite good models (correct length, etc). I also spotted a Bachmann super-detailed offering on eBay, so I may pick that up to act as a "yardstick" to work to! Steve S 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 3, 2020 5 hours ago, Northmoor said: If not careful, railway preservation could wipe out an entire coach type without noticing. Mk4’s will probably dissapear first. the remaining mk1 sleepers will rot away indefinitely as it costs money to get rid of them. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 The main thing to watch for with the Bachmann sleepers (initially anyway, don't know if/when it was sorted) was the maroon SLF and b/g SLS had the wrong roof-vent covers. The SLF had a long one when it should've been short and vice-versa for the SLS. (I think I've got that the right way round - there's a thread on them in the Bachmann section) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 8 hours ago, SteveyDee68 said: Hopefully you will put up how you go about improving your sleepers - I'm amassing a few, mainly Triang and Hornby, with the idea of 'improving' them as I read somewhere on RMWeb that these were quite good models (correct length, etc). I also spotted a Bachmann super-detailed offering on eBay, so I may pick that up to act as a "yardstick" to work to! Steve S Just a basic update Steve, nothing phenomenal. Swapping out the wheels for modern day ones, putting on narrower tension lock couplings, putting on etched handrails and giving them a repaint (nothing era specific) to whatever livery I think looks good on a prototype that exists in the real world. Those coaches that need extras, I am have them 3D printed. Hornby Mk1 sleeper (Royal Train) Hornby Mk1 Sleeper (BR Blue) Hornby Mk1 Buffet (Blue - like one of the preserved samples) Lima Mk1 Restaurant (Intercity maybe) Lima Mk2 FK (Intercity) Hornby Mk2 BFK (intercity with white roof) That might change if I find any more images.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveyDee68 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Hi Looking in the coaching stock diagrams book pdf linked to earlier, what was the Brake Staff Sleeping Car (AU501) used for? (Obviously staff, but what circumstances?) Again, peering at the diagrams, are the Mk 1 BCK carriages the closest in terms of modelling? Blocking out two doors and a slightly remodelling the interior? (I shall peruse the web for possible photos) Steve S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 On 03/07/2020 at 14:26, Northmoor said: One survived very local to me at Bisley station until only last year or so. It was in superb condition and most of the interior was intact apparently, but is had to be disposed of in the correct manner, not sold into preservation. I understand the one at Peak Rail is reasonably complete, the former Royal Scotsman one at Bluebell is deteriorating badly. If not careful, railway preservation could wipe out an entire coach type without noticing. I am led to believe the one at Peak Rail has had the Asbestos removed which if correct gives it a good chance of survival. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 On 03/07/2020 at 14:34, Enterprisingwestern said: Well, they've all but managed it with the XP64's, so no change there then! Mike. As a percentage survival rate the XP64s are doing much better than the MK1 sleepers, there are 3 of an original take of 8 prototypes surviving. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, 37114 said: As a percentage survival rate the XP64s are doing much better than the MK1 sleepers, there are 3 of an original take of 8 prototypes surviving. All are in very poor condition and awaiting plans for blue asbestos removal. The one at the DFR is subject to a lottery grant but I don't know the status of the Wensleydale pair. Just hope the current funding crisis doesn't finish them off. Mike. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted July 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 12, 2020 3 hours ago, SteveyDee68 said: Hi Looking in the coaching stock diagrams book pdf linked to earlier, what was the Brake Staff Sleeping Car (AU501) used for? (Obviously staff, but what circumstances?) Again, peering at the diagrams, are the Mk 1 BCK carriages the closest in terms of modelling? Blocking out two doors and a slightly remodelling the interior? (I shall peruse the web for possible photos) Steve S Took a bit of digging but I found them, two of them to be precise. Former Mk1 BCK 21270 and 21267 became Mk1 Charter Train Staff Coach 2833 and 2834 respectively in July 1988 on B5 bogies. There is even a picture of 2833 in the Hugh Longworth Mk1 & Mk2 book in full unbranded white roof Intercity livery. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted July 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 12, 2020 2833/4 were part of the IntercIty Charter Fleet. The white-roof, white-wheel-rim superbly turned-out land-cruise trains which offered some rather good (and rather expensive) opportunities to ride the more scenic parts of the network over several days. Trains were typically formed of otherwise-redundant MK1 FO vehicles with suitable restaurant cars between them and Mk3 sleepers for the passengers. As train crew over and above the sleeping car attendant were required to stay with the train overnight the two BCK coaches were converted and were a common sight in the lengthy formation (up to load 16) of the land cruise trains. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveyDee68 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 With thanks to John M Upton and Gwiwer, it appears these particular coaches are well outside my chosen era for modelling! I am guessing that the land-cruise trains are a thing of the past, and that these coaches no longer exist? Although if they are not full of asbestos like the MK1 sleepers, I suppose they might be more easily used by preservation societies/heritage lines for staff/volunteers to bunk down in? Steve S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padishar Creel Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Hallo, Start at 4m02s. Are the staff coaches in this formation? From the descriptions above, I would say yes. es grüßt pc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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