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I think one is yes, the coach before the last set of Sleepers at the back.

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7 hours ago, SteveyDee68 said:

With thanks to John M Upton and Gwiwer, it appears these particular coaches are well outside my chosen era for modelling!  


I am guessing that the land-cruise trains are a thing of the past, and that these coaches no longer exist?  Although if they are not full of asbestos like the MK1 sleepers, I suppose they might be more easily used by preservation societies/heritage lines for staff/volunteers to bunk down in?

 

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2833 is still in use with WCRC and 2834 is at dean forest. Being the last lot of BCKs (and last Mk1 day coaches) built - and that most of the lot survived - then they probably did not have asbestos.  For preservation they have the advantage/disadvantage of being delivered as air braked / electric heated.

 

With the number of spare Mk3 sleepers from the Scottish sleepers available then I am not certain if there is a particular call for these.

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One prominent detail missing from the Hornby Sleepers was the trunking at one end of each coach.  The Bachmann model has it in place.  I did an upgrade several years ago and it is easily fabricated from strips of plasticard

 

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To be fair to Tri-ang, that trunking wasn't there when they built them.

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Many years ago before the Bachmann Sleeper came along, I did a Frankenstein job using the roof and sides from a Hornby one inserted into a Bachmann Mk1 chassis and ends plus the ducting.

 

It looked all right...

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14 hours ago, John M Upton said:

Many years ago before the Bachmann Sleeper came along, I did a Frankenstein job using the roof and sides from a Hornby one inserted into a Bachmann Mk1 chassis and ends plus the ducting.

 

It looked all right...

But if it only ran at night who would ever notice :jester: 

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Here is a Hornby (Triang) car with replacement brass sides from Comet and Bachman Commonwealth bogies. The body side length is a perfect fit.

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Scanning some slides last night and I came across a journey I made in 1978 in a Mk 1 sleeper.  It was from Stranraer to Euston and the train left Stranraer over 2 hours late due to the connecting ferry being late. However, the train was early into Euston.  Running at speed to get back on time made the ride so bad I was unable to sleep.  Happy days.

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That subject comes up every so often - generally the Sleeper services were timed for 75mph max. for comfort but were authorised up to max. line/stock speed when required.

As you found, the timings were generous enough to allow recovery for arrival time but at the expense of getting some kip!

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44 minutes ago, keefer said:

That subject comes up every so often - generally the Sleeper services were timed for 75mph max. for comfort but were authorised up to max. line/stock speed when required.

As you found, the timings were generous enough to allow recovery for arrival time but at the expense of getting some kip!

I had thought it was 80mph though the difference would have been minimal.  

 

Quite recently I had a very late start from Paddington on the 23.45 to Penzance.  A train I have used (or its equivalent) regularly since 1967 and Mk1 Western-hauled days.  On this occasion the stock was positioned in Platform 1 as normal but the usual 22.30 boarding was not permitted.  There was an engineer's possession outside the station requiring the train to be shunted out and set-back into platform 2.  OK we thought, a slightly late boarding but away in time.  Not so.  The loco failed outside the station and required depot assistance to be coaxed back into life.  We eventually departed at 01.53.  With a faster than normal run and having used up almost all of the slack in the schedule which includes an hour's stand at Exeter St. Davids we were into Plymouth a few minutes early.  Poor rail conditions then saw us lose over an hour slipping and creeping through Cornwall but that's another story

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Here’s another Hornby sleeper with Comet sides. Still got some finishing to do. 

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On 30/06/2020 at 20:00, Ken.W said:

 

Almost, the compartment partitions were mid-way between each window.

 

All had the same body design. First class compartments had a single bed, Second class a twin bunk, both to the plain wall side of the compartment, top bunk frame roughly level with the bar of window vent and ladder in the middle. The sink was in the corner under the window, quadrant shaped and with a lid that looks like would double as a table. A large rectangular mirror was mid-way on the wall opposite the beds. The attendants compartment was the non-toilet end one.

Compartment windows had horizontally sliding shutters.

 

There's good pictures in the Parkin Mk1 book if you can access a copy.

 

 

Agree it probably was a case of 'Why?' The most you would normally see of a sleeper interior would be either the corridor wall, or the window shutters, depending on which side.

 

Sounds right on liveries, they didn't first appear until after Crimson/Cream had ceased, and their Mk3 replacements appeared in Blue/Grey

 

I used these sleepers about four times a year between 1970 and 77 when travelling between Truro and Paddington when I was in the Merchant Navy. I don't know if is was official or not, but that's exactly what they were used for by the steward. He placed the tea and biscuits on them when giving the morning call.

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On 31/07/2020 at 14:36, coronach said:

Here’s another Hornby sleeper with Comet sides. Still got some finishing to do. 

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And the other side pre glazing and proper fitting

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Hey again!

2 out of my 3 Hornby Mk1 coaches seem to have the bogies riveted in. How do I get them out? I'd love to replace the bogies with ones from Replica Railways.

 

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18 hours ago, coronach said:

And the other side pre glazing and proper fitting

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And glazed

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