hayfield Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 Tin is that before or after the rivet has rusted ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
down the sdjr Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 The EMGS jigs arrived this morning so i have started with the v jig. this is my 2nd and 3rd attempt, i got the filing wrong on the 1st one. I have plenty of stainless steel rail and was surprised how easy it was to solder, mind you i am using some pretty beefy acid flux. Going to put the common crossing jig together this evening. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 From the photo it looks like you have butt joined the blades together, though it also looks like you have spliced both together In 4 mm scale I do the simple splicing method as the method of filing both sides of the leading rail can hardly seen especially when using the finer gauges Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
down the sdjr Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 I am going to have to experiment. I am following the EMGS instructions, both rails filed on the inside edge, 1 halfway and the other fully. Any advice welcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) You are doing it the correct way, but then only one rail has a blunt end at the tip, the other is spliced into the side of the other rail with about 4 or 5mm between the 2 tips You can just see the bottom rail let into the side of the top rail Edited July 6, 2020 by hayfield 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 As Hayfield says, only one rail should reach the tip of the vee, the other, the splice rail should be joined in behind, you look to have taken both rails to the vee tip and this will make the angle wrong if they were filed in the jig. This might help, although not using the jig! http://www.norgrove.me.uk/points.html 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted July 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, hayfield said: As an aside, where do you get the flat bar for the crossing gauge, in the background? I can find bar @0.8mm thick (but I guess that would be for P4 ?) but I'm after 1mm thick for OO-SF / EM. I've looked on eBay and a general Google but with fruitless results. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted July 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 6, 2020 3 hours ago, down the sdjr said: I am going to have to experiment. I am following the EMGS instructions, both rails filed on the inside edge, 1 halfway and the other fully. Any advice welcome. Have a look at the second post in this link from Martin on the Templot Forum (I highly recommend you join up if you haven't already, it's free). It's shows where to bend your rail before filing. https://85a.co.uk/forum/view_topic.php?id=359&forum_id=1 Cheers, Dubs 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
down the sdjr Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Tim Dubya said: Have a look at the second post in this link from Martin on the Templot Forum (I highly recommend you join up if you haven't already, it's free). It's shows where to bend your rail before filing. https://85a.co.uk/forum/view_topic.php?id=359&forum_id=1 Cheers, Dubs Thanks Dubs, That is really helpful. I saw the instructions mentioned bending the rail, was not sure what that meant. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted July 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 6, 2020 I thought you might, I did for literally years ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Tim Dubya said: As an aside, where do you get the flat bar for the crossing gauge, in the background? I can find bar @0.8mm thick (but I guess that would be for P4 ?) but I'm after 1mm thick for OO-SF / EM. I've looked on eBay and a general Google but with fruitless results. Cheers 1 mm is from the EM gauge society, the one in the photo was milled for me by a friend quite a few years ago 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Metric feeler gauges usually have one at 1 mm. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
down the sdjr Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Grovenor said: Metric feeler gauges usually have one at 1 mm. This was going to be my next question. I am stuggling to find something 1.2mm for 00 gauge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted July 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, down the sdjr said: This was going to be my next question. I am stuggling to find something 1.2mm for 00 gauge. Drill out the rivet on feeler gauges for easier use. You can use 2 together to make any thickness you like -- 0.8mm + 0.4mm = 1.2mm. If you rub them with a magnet they will be magnetized enough to stick together. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rovtop-Feeler-Stainless-Imperial-Measuring/dp/B074J3GWH1 Martin. 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted July 7, 2020 Author Share Posted July 7, 2020 8 hours ago, down the sdjr said: This was going to be my next question. I am stuggling to find something 1.2mm for 00 gauge. Buying a set of check rail gauges which ironically were produced for 00-SF but as Martin tells us are also spot on for 00 Rightly or wrongly I had a length of aluminum milled to 1.25 mm (give or take a few thou. SMP used to include a simple aluminum gauge 10.5 mm wide by 1.25 mm thick 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted July 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, hayfield said: Buying a set of check rail gauges which ironically were produced for 00-SF but as Martin tells us are also spot on for 00 My existing check rail gauges were bought for OO-SF, 2 x long in steel and 2 x brass squares. I got them years ago from a guy called Russ Simpson in the US along with my original roller gauges. Unfortunately the steel pair are rather pitted due to my liberal use of flux, so I'm looking to replace them. The EMGS have the longer steel one for a fiver but as mentioned above a set of feeler gauges will be ideal. Cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted July 7, 2020 Author Share Posted July 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Tim Dubya said: My existing check rail gauges were bought for OO-SF, 2 x long in steel and 2 x brass squares. I got them years ago from a guy called Russ Simpson in the US along with my original roller gauges. Unfortunately the steel pair are rather pitted due to my liberal use of flux, so I'm looking to replace them. The EMGS have the longer steel one for a fiver but as mentioned above a set of feeler gauges will be ideal. Cheers Are they roller type gauges? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted July 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, hayfield said: Are they roller type gauges? Yes, they're in with these along with those I got from C&L. Which has got me wondering if Mr C&L might like to stock the flat check rail gauges? Edited July 7, 2020 by Tim Dubya Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted July 7, 2020 Author Share Posted July 7, 2020 Yes the correct ones, both check rail gauges and 00SF track gauges by the look of it As for the pitted ones, would a fine sand remove the raised pits on the gauge without thinning the gauge too much, keeping it within the +/- tolerances 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted July 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2020 Yes, I need to get some really fine sand paper anyway, so will polish them up. Doh!, why didn't I think of that in the first place Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
down the sdjr Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Morning, i am heading up to the loft to do some bending and filing. Will post results later if any improvement. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted July 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2020 Enjoy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 9 hours ago, martin_wynne said: Drill out the rivet on feeler gauges for easier use. You can use 2 together to make any thickness you like -- 0.8mm + 0.4mm = 1.2mm. If you rub them with a magnet they will be magnetized enough to stick together. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rovtop-Feeler-Stainless-Imperial-Measuring/dp/B074J3GWH1 Martin. I think a proper metric set has more useful sizes, eg https://www.amazon.co.uk/Draper-51701-Blade-Metric-Feeler/dp/B015GVU9LW/ref=pd_sbs_60_4/261-9220183-9562009?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B015GVU9LW&pd_rd_r=f7cbedbc-faa4-4b2b-b86f-31c4531d266e&pd_rd_w=gpGXF&pd_rd_wg=kcTSw&pf_rd_p=2773aa8e-42c5-4dbe-bda8-5cdf226aa078&pf_rd_r=433D7288QH1RAEWAE2NY&psc=1&refRID=433D7288QH1RAEWAE2NY 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
down the sdjr Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I re did a few vs this morning, much better to the side rather than butted. I have not finish filed these yet or cut the nose. Just experimenting really but each one is getting better.(i think). I also made up my common crossing jig. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted July 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2020 Top stuff indeed, you'll be sticking 'em together with your eyes shut in a day or two. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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