kennick Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 I've just taken delivery of two brand-new Hornby 2-Bil drive units for projects. They work fine if I apply power direct to the motor contacts but not if I apply power to the wheels or even to the pick-ups. This is exactly the same as a previous one I bought, when I had to arrange current pick-up from another bogie - but should they not work on their own ? Or is there some thing else I need to do? Can anyhone help? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Just a guess, not having seen these. With all models designed for DCC nowadays, and the decoder socket being 'elsewhere' on the model, there will be no connection between whatever pick ups the motor bogie has got, and the motor. Soldering on connecting wires between pick ups and motor terminals thus inevitably required. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 2, 2020 The bogie unit is an X6575 which definitely has pickups on the wheels. Does it go through a DCC socket? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted July 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) The DCC socket is in the compartment at the inner end of the motor coach which is where the pickup wires go to. If it doesn't have a decoder, does it have a blanking plug fitted? Edited July 2, 2020 by RFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennick Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 Thanks for responses so far - DCC is not something I've so far used - but I can't see anything that looks to me like a plug, blanking or otherwise, just (I think) a suppressor - no other wires at all visible. Will take some photos tomorrow and post them. Kennick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennick Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 Thanks 21C1, I think that answers my problem. WIll do the soldering in the a.m. and report back!. Kennick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, 21C1 said: The pickups are not wired to the motor. You need to take solder wires from the copper pads on each side to either side of the capacitor on one side of the bogie. Does that make sense? 12 hours ago, kennick said: Thanks 21C1, I think that answers my problem. WIll do the soldering in the a.m. and report back!. Kennick Just re-read the OP's post - realized he's bought the bogie and not the complete 2-BIL. Apologies for the confusion! Edited July 3, 2020 by RFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 Given the OP is using these parts "for projects" then I suspect they will have to get the soldering iron out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, RFS said: They are not wired directly to the motor - they are routed via the DCC socket at the other end of the coach. There they are joined by pickup wires from the trailing bogie also. The wires from the motor also go to the DCC socket. If you're not running DCC, there will be a blanking plug to join the pickup and motor wires together. There's no need to do any soldering. Make sure that plug is there before you do anything else. I believe from the description that the OP has bought only the motor bogies, not the chassis, therefore no decoder sockets or wires to same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, SRman said: I believe from the description that the OP has bought only the motor bogies, not the chassis, therefore no decoder sockets or wires to same. In which case there should be some way to connect the pickups direct to the motor This shows what I assume is a contact strip below what look like the motor connections, there will be another on the other side Edited July 3, 2020 by melmerby 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, SRman said: I believe from the description that the OP has bought only the motor bogies, not the chassis, therefore no decoder sockets or wires to same. Yes - now twigged! sorry for the confusion and have updated my post! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennick Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 Problem solved! 21C1 was spot on with advice and I've now done the soldering on one of the two units as shown below (shoe-bar also "weathered"). Thanks to all those who helped with this and if anyone is interested I ordered these two new X6575 complete drive units a fortnight ago from Lendons of Cardiff (no connection) for just £9.98 each, though I don't know if they have any left 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Geep7 Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, 21C1 said: They may have some left. I've just ordered 2 more. Be quick if you want some, good value at that price. Have a couple left in my modelling stash, but tempted to try and order a couple more. They are so useful for powering most D/EMUs once you change the sideframes. What I don't understand is why these motor bogies run so well, but the ones in the Hornby 4-Vep don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I think this issue of power bogies being prepared for DCC and not as it were freestanding is something to expect now. A while back I bought a Hornby new style Class 90 unit, put it on the track and - nothing! Same issue as noted. Lendons have a variety of drives on offer at great prices, a pair of 2Bil's and 5 class 59's came through my door a couple of days ago and I'm thinking of going back for more. John. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, John Tomlinson said: I think this issue of power bogies being prepared for DCC and not as it were freestanding is something to expect now... Possibly you could feed that back to the retailer: needs the information describing the goods to clearly state 'wiring incomplete'. (They could even supply a simple kit and/or diagram for the wiring required...) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said: Possibly you could feed that back to the retailer: needs the information describing the goods to clearly state 'wiring incomplete'. (They could even supply a simple kit and/or diagram for the wiring required...) Why? The item is being sold as a Hornby spare part and the seller would rightly expect the purchaser to have a basic understanding of what they are buying. EDIT At Halfords: Sorry sir this exhaust system does not come with an engine attached............ Edited July 3, 2020 by melmerby 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, melmerby said: Why? The item is being sold as a Hornby spare part and the seller would rightly expect the purchaser to have a basic understanding of what they are buying... That will be the retailer's call. Personally I feel it is typically a good plan to give the purchaser useful information. (The counter might be that this information will actually dissuade some potential buyers...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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