Guest Jack Benson Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Before we get serious with this model, may we ask if anyone knows the origin of the model, what is the prototype? Is there a common UIC type? Thank you Cheers and Stay Safe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 BR Ferry van, diagram 1/227 built from 1962. 400 built in two batches. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brferryvan Steven B. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 And that basic pattern of van was also used by many European railways, with variations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, eastwestdivide said: And that basic pattern of van was also used by many European railways, with variations. Ferry-vans to similar designs were built for French, Belgian, Italian and Jugoslavian railways, from the end of the 1950s onwards. The number and size of vents varied, there being more on the Italian examples, in anticipation of loads of fresh produce. The common features were large sliding doors and a wheelbase of 8 metres. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapford34102 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Karl Crowther did some work on the model. A pic and some details here https://emgauge70s.co.uk/model_omwb92.html About 1/2 way down. Stu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy1692 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Railtec do the transfers for them and they really are very good. With a little bit of work the Hornby model comes up well with a few tweaks. Theres a pretty detailed thread on here with details of mods you can do: Heres a pic of mine i did a couple of months back after varnishing Cheers James 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Its to the dimensions of a 'UIC ORE type 3 van,' and as Brian says, I number of other countries had similar vans the same size. Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.W Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 4 hours ago, Jack Benson said: Is there a common UIC type? I believe the anchor symbol, top left, signifies conforms to the UIC standard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Considering its origins are in the Triang range from nearly fifty years ago this is still an impressive model. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 24 minutes ago, Ken.W said: believe the anchor symbol, top left, signifies conforms to the UIC standard I believe that the anchor signifies that it is fitted with the necessary holding-down points etc for use on a train ferry. Not all UIC standards dictate compatibility with a train ferry so far as I know. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 23 minutes ago, Ken.W said: I believe the anchor symbol, top left, signifies conforms to the UIC standard The Anchor symbol denotes suitable for use on train ferries as they have the lugs for securing/chaining; vehicle fit to pass through the Channel Tunnel have a CT symbol. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Nearholmer said: I believe that the anchor signifies that it is fitted with the necessary holding-down points etc for use on a train ferry. Not all UIC standards dictate compatibility with a train ferry so far as I know. I think the holding down points and ramshorns are a bit of a red-herring, both features are common (universal? ) on continental wagons, and judging by the number of preservation wagon blogs who describe straightening bent-W irons, probably better for the wagon than BR practice of horse and capstan shunting with a chain through the W-iron. In most film of the train ferry in operation I've seen, they used a chain over the buffers to hold down the wagons. https://youtu.be/-augQnu_4Bk?t=350 I imagine the average British enthusiast/railwayman only saw these fittings on 'ferry' wagons, therefore believed them to be 'ferry' fittings. Jon Edited July 4, 2020 by jonhall to finish a sentance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.W Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Nearholmer said: I believe that the anchor signifies that it is fitted with the necessary holding-down points etc for use on a train ferry. Not all UIC standards dictate compatibility with a train ferry so far as I know. Yes sorry, I meant in reference to train ferrys as the subject of this thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 The last batch of BBA’s are partially ferry fitted with large eyes over each bogie and worked over on the train ferry and were transhipped in France, this changed when the Cargowaggon flats were built. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mark Saunders said: The last batch of BBA’s are partially ferry fitted with large eyes over each bogie and worked over on the train ferry and were transhipped in France, this changed when the Cargowaggon flats were built. Why? Did they keep these fitments, I would think this would be early 80s Your wagon knowledge always astounds me mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, russ p said: Why? Did they keep these fitments, I would think this would be early 80s Your wagon knowledge always astounds me mark Russ Still fitted as they are too well attached! Mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 3, 2020 What era is the current Hornby ferryvan. I'm assuming early TOPS with VIX on it. To back date it to late 60s what else would be needed other than removing the TOPS code? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, russ p said: What era is the current Hornby ferryvan. I'm assuming early TOPS with VIX on it. To back date it to late 60s what else would be needed other than removing the TOPS code? The earliest I can find is R738: (1970, Triang-Hornby) Looks like it was introduced in 1970 A 1969 picture from Paul Bartlett: https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brferryvan/ef8652f Edited July 3, 2020 by melmerby 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 10 hours ago, russ p said: What era is the current Hornby ferryvan. I'm assuming early TOPS with VIX on it. To back date it to late 60s what else would be needed other than removing the TOPS code? We covered this in a great deal of detail in the topic that James linked to earlier, 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimbus Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 12 hours ago, melmerby said: The earliest I can find is R738: (1970, Triang-Hornby) Looks like it was introduced in 1970 Indeed it was. I bought my two as soon as they hit the local shop, a couple of weeks into my first term at university, so early October 1970. Set straight to, carving off the spurious lump on the roof. The Nim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainwright1 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 I seem to recall that this model took several years to get into production after it was first announced by Tri-ang-Hornby. Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 45 minutes ago, wainwright1 said: I seem to recall that this model took several years to get into production after it was first announced by Tri-ang-Hornby. No mention of any delay in Pat Hammonds Story of Rovex Vol 2 - a pre production model is stated as being displayed at the 1970 Tri-ang Toy fair and was on sale in May 1970. There is a copy of the review in the Nov 1970 Model Railway Constructor stating the length, wheelbase, width and sliding doorway are exact 4mm scale, but "it is only a bare fraction out on the height and doorway height, a matter of 3mm (9in) at the most and this very slight difference is not noticeable." If the review was referring to the height above rail that will be due to T-H models having a higher than scale buffer beam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham108 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) On 03/07/2020 at 23:42, melmerby said: The earliest I can find is R738: (1970, Triang-Hornby) Looks like it was introduced in 1970 I have examples of both R738 & R740 - don't know if there's any physical difference. Quote Edited July 17, 2020 by bartram108 Update Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) A scale drawing of the van was reproduced as part of Bartlett, Paul W. & Mann, T., (1984) Cross-Channel Ferry Wagons used on BR in Model Railway Constructor Annual 1985 pp 18 - 29, edited by Leigh, Chris. The very first builds had plain doors https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brferryvan/e6dc9caaa Paul Edited July 19, 2020 by hmrspaul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 On 17/07/2020 at 15:04, bartram108 said: I have examples of both R738 & R740 - don't know if there's any physical difference. The original BR livery version was in self coloured plastic as R738. For the 1980 catalogue it gained a paint finished body and that version is R740. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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