RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted December 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2020 5 hours ago, friscopete said: I will wait for the Santa Fe livery . Zebra stripes of course. Bound to happen.... 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan70000 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Never seen this topic before, I simply cannot believe that a company is taking this on! I did a double take when I saw the title! I think the plain grey was only for the works photoshoot. There's a very good colour photo of it in ex-works condition, but I don't think it ran like that. Every photo I've seen, it's been lined grey with no crest. On some photographs it looks like the panel that would have the crest has been painted out in a slightly different shade. I'd go for lined grey (no crest), BR Black and SR Malachite Green. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted December 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2020 On 20/12/2020 at 11:05, KR Models said: Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. No final decision has been made over liveries, as we are still researching this ( yes we actually do research). For sure the grey one, and the BR Black early crest, but after that, not sure. There's 3 different versions of the grey one we have found. No name plates or numbers, just numbers, numbers and crest. So which one do you do? You can't do all three grey versions as you have to have a minimum quantity to justify the setting up in the factory. number Plates were made for 36001, and 36002 and 36003. All 3 authenticated sets of plates still exist. tbh, I’d do 36001 as it was seen most common. Then play a little with 002 and 003. BR lined Black is an obvious one. i’d consider a “CC1” in Southern black with sunshine lettering. The best livery guide could be an M7 tank.. that is what they were to replace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) It's curious they went to the trouble to line a prototype loco which was gray. (photo russell coffin) Edited December 28, 2020 by maico 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Locomotives were painted in photographic grey to better facilitate black and white publicity photographs. There's nothing unusual about a photographic grey loco being lined out and carrying the full proposed livery. What WAS unusual about the Leader was that it was put to work still wearing photographic grey, but I suspect management thought it would be less conspicuous in grey than in shiny fresh BR black. (CJL) 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 25 minutes ago, dibber25 said: I suspect management thought it would be less conspicuous in grey than in shiny fresh BR black. (CJL) Floquil grimy black could have made it even less consipicuous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted December 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 28, 2020 29 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said: Floquil grimy black could have made it even less consipicuous. If post-war UK had been able to afford oil-based paint it might also have afforded oil, and the coal-fired innovation Bulleid sought might not have been needed. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phatbob Posted December 29, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 29, 2020 On 24/12/2020 at 00:54, adb968008 said: number Plates were made for 36001, and 36002 and 36003. All 3 authenticated sets of plates still exist. tbh, I’d do 36001 as it was seen most common. Then play a little with 002 and 003. BR lined Black is an obvious one. i’d consider a “CC1” in Southern black with sunshine lettering. The best livery guide could be an M7 tank.. that is what they were to replace. The number CC1 wasalready allocated to an electric locomotive, as was CC2. A third electric locomotive was already on the order books, so had a Leader appeared with an SR number, rather than a BR one, I suspect it would have been CC4? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted December 29, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 29, 2020 6 hours ago, Phatbob said: The number CC1 wasalready allocated to an electric locomotive, as was CC2. A third electric locomotive was already on the order books, so had a Leader appeared with an SR number, rather than a BR one, I suspect it would have been CC4? Or perhaps 00CC1 ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D9001 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: Or perhaps 00CC1 ? According to Wikipedia (yes, I know), 36001- 36005would have been CC101 - CC105 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted December 29, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, D9001 said: According to Wikipedia (yes, I know), 36001- 36005would have been CC101 - CC105 That was my first thought, but Leader was a steam locomotive and numbering reflects the leading and trailing ponies, which Leader had none. I can see where “101” could originate (Merchant Navies vs West Countries), however CC1-4 would have nothing in common to Leader, hence my other guess. ive got “the book” upstairs and can have a look to see if there was an authoritative answer, unless someone else can confirm first. if its correct, its easy to see how Bulleids numbering scheme could be come just as overly complex and confusing as his designs. Edited December 29, 2020 by adb968008 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Surely the SR numbering system wasn't 'Bullied's' but was merely a copy of standard European systems based on the continental wheel arrangement system? That system would have covered locomotives with two six-wheel bogies or frames as C+C and that would presumably have been reflected in the numbering. (CJL) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 31, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 31, 2020 21 hours ago, dibber25 said: Surely the SR numbering system wasn't 'Bullied's' but was merely a copy of standard European systems based on the continental wheel arrangement system? That system would have covered locomotives with two six-wheel bogies or frames as C+C and that would presumably have been reflected in the numbering. (CJL) Agreed - although there have been differences in the way things are shown when power bogies are involved - sometimes nothing between, for example, two C's, sometimes a '-' and sometimes a '+'. Interestingly Bulleid varied from the normal UIC format of 2C1 with his pacifics which were numbered 21C - making them a 4-2-6 under the Whyte notation. Bulleid's CIE turf burner was numbered CC1 so an obvious clue there. But what we can be certain of is that the number group for the 'Leaders' would obviously have been distinct from the Bulleid/Raworth 'boosters' - as others have already suggested. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) On 21/12/2020 at 12:25, Oldddudders said: Zebra stripes of course. Bound to happen.... All black with silver front of cab oil burning version for Southern Pacific. Or go fancy with Daylight red, orange, black and silver. SP of course already had hundreds of massive cab forward freight locomotives so driving configuration not new or a labor problem. Would go in same collection with my electrified Donner Pass/Sierra line which was seriously considered. Santa Fe would need an oil burning version for running in California which outlawed coal burning steam locomotives in 1905. Edited January 1, 2021 by autocoach 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted January 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2021 They could always number it as an Irish Railways version Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2021 15 hours ago, adb968008 said: They could always number it as an Irish Railways version Except the SR already had one CC1 so it might have been a bit confusing if they'd had two. On the other hand they could have legitimately pointed to the success of CC1 in traffic and nobody would have know the difference. And judging by its approach to number series I sincerely doubt that anyone in the BR hierarchy would have agreed the use of such weird foreign numbering systems - they moved quickly enough to renumber Bulleid's other designs which all had numbers that didn't conflict with any other running numbers on the system.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted January 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, The Stationmaster said: Except the SR already had one CC1 so it might have been a bit confusing if they'd had two. On the other hand they could have legitimately pointed to the success of CC1 in traffic and nobody would have know the difference. And judging by its approach to number series I sincerely doubt that anyone in the BR hierarchy would have agreed the use of such weird foreign numbering systems - they moved quickly enough to renumber Bulleid's other designs which all had numbers that didn't conflict with any other running numbers on the system.. My comment was meant a little humouric. misinterpretation seems to be rife today. what I meant was paint and number it in CIE livery as well.,.. much like Triang did with the Hymek in the 1970’s... totally unauthentic, but ironic. :-) Edited January 4, 2021 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 On 22/12/2020 at 02:14, nathan70000 said: ........ for lined grey (no crest), BR Black and SR Malachite Green. Surely IF it/they had come out before Nationalisation it/they would have been painted the same as all other S.R. mixed traffic locomotives - plain black not malachite !!?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 12:01, The Stationmaster said: Except the SR already had one CC1 so it might have been a bit confusing if they'd had two. Don't forget they had two locos numbered '1' at Nationalisation .... but you could hardly confuse a T1 0-4-4T with a diesel electric shunter ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 58 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: you could hardly confuse a T1 0-4-4T with a diesel electric shunter ! Not by looking at them IRL, I would hope. But it depends on who's looking at the numbers on the page. Never underestimate the potential for human error. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Just got an email from KR models saying that the order book for the leaders will be open in fed and that both grey and black liveries will be available. Quick question for KR - is the grey livery the early crest grey (loco’s official ‘portrait’) or the lined grey she ran with in her trials without the crest? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) Also received the e-mail. I want to go ahead but am concerned that the dc ready version, which was priced 6 months ago at £170, the website currently quotes £180 but the e-mail advises it is now going to be £199. Quite a steep increase. Will have to think carefully as I have a fully paid up Fell on order. Edited February 1, 2021 by rembrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KR Models Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Edge said: Just got an email from KR models saying that the order book for the leaders will be open in fed and that both grey and black liveries will be available. Quick question for KR - is the grey livery the early crest grey (loco’s official ‘portrait’) or the lined grey she ran with in her trials without the crest? We hope to offer both versions. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoDominion Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Either unlined grey with crest or lined grey without crest would add a dash of colour to the liveries so I’m not to fussed, but I think I’d go with a grey livery over black as it would stand out more. Black liveries are fairly common as many locos ended up wearing one as such so do loco models. Grey is far more rare, at least as far as steam locos go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Most of them were grey .......... they didn't stay black for very long ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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