WisTramwayMan Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) On 09/02/2021 at 17:35, Wickham Green too said: Most of them were grey .......... they didn't stay black for very long ! Have they specified what running numbers they will be ? The grey ones should be 36001 - an accurate combination of the only one to run + the only livery it carried - but given the black livery is fictitious and that the basic frames for 36002 + 36003 existed, isn't there a case for linking the black livery to one, or both, of these ? Might generate more sales for KRM too (ie, those who'd want more than one - it'd make me think). Edited February 13, 2021 by WisTramwayMan Grammar plus expanded comment 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr chapman Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 How will the sound file be produced? Does anyone know how it should actually sound? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Mr chapman said: How will the sound file be produced? Does anyone know how it should actually sound? Someone's going to sit in a loco cab with the firehole door left wide open and curse and swear into a microphone about it being too d...d hot in here....... Just a thought Les 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WisTramwayMan Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 6 hours ago, Mr chapman said: How will the sound file be produced? Does anyone know how it should actually sound? No- unless there's an extremely rare piece of footage out there with sound. The real odd ball, of course, was that it used sleeve valves; I've heard several IC engines with these running first hand (Bristol Centaurus - Sea Fury - and a straight configuration in a car - Voisin) and IMHO the beat is softer and quieter compared to a poppet-valved unit. I would guess taking the above into account that they'd sound more like a Bulleid with chain-drive gear than a conventional loco, but that is just a guess. Hopefully there's some very clever person out there who'll find a way of digitally producing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Any word? I was told it was going on sale on Monday 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2021 On 14/02/2021 at 00:33, WisTramwayMan said: No- unless there's an extremely rare piece of footage out there with sound. The real odd ball, of course, was that it used sleeve valves; I've heard several IC engines with these running first hand (Bristol Centaurus - Sea Fury - and a straight configuration in a car - Voisin) and IMHO the beat is softer and quieter compared to a poppet-valved unit. I would guess taking the above into account that they'd sound more like a Bulleid with chain-drive gear than a conventional loco, but that is just a guess. Hopefully there's some very clever person out there who'll find a way of digitally producing it. There is a 5" gauge live steam version but it only appears to have one power bogie and - as ever - the exhaust rate makes if difficult to translate it to a full size engine's sound although it only sounds as if it is a two cylinder engine 9but difficult to distinguish. Effectively the Leader is going to to sound like two three cylinder engines probably at times not synchronising and there seems to be no detail anywhere about the steam passages which might lead to a Garrett like effect on the exhaust sound. There is also conflicting information about its performance - the boiler was a typical Bulleid steam producer but at the same time there are comments about air leaks in the the smokebox causing a bit of blowing back from the fire which hardly squares with a reputedly strong exhaust. So 99% of any sound is really going to be guesswork starting with whether or not the bogies stayed in sync (very debatable with Bulleid valvegear as I know from talking, back in the 1980s, to one of Bulleid's former technical assistants that his boss got frustrated over valvegear chains stretching and causing engines to go offbeat. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 hours ago, The Stationmaster said: There is a 5" gauge live steam version but it only appears to have one power bogie and - as ever - the exhaust rate makes if difficult to translate it to a full size engine's sound although it only sounds as if it is a two cylinder engine 9but difficult to distinguish. Effectively the Leader is going to to sound like two three cylinder engines probably at times not synchronising and there seems to be no detail anywhere about the steam passages which might lead to a Garrett like effect on the exhaust sound. There is also conflicting information about its performance - the boiler was a typical Bulleid steam producer but at the same time there are comments about air leaks in the the smokebox causing a bit of blowing back from the fire which hardly squares with a reputedly strong exhaust. So 99% of any sound is really going to be guesswork starting with whether or not the bogies stayed in sync (very debatable with Bulleid valvegear as I know from talking, back in the 1980s, to one of Bulleid's former technical assistants that his boss got frustrated over valvegear chains stretching and causing engines to go offbeat. Yes, I heard on several occasions that the chain stretched and the engine went off-beat. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KR Models Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 11 hours ago, scots region said: Any word? I was told it was going on sale on Monday We are currently experiencing technical difficulties with the website. We are working tirelessly to fix them. Unfortunately, this means that we cant go live with the Leader at this moment, but as soon as we can we will be sending out an email. 2 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) I see its now appearing on the website to place orders. Couple of questions for KR Models: - What is the deal with numbers, as there's no mention on the website of numbering, will there be transfers included for the customer to choose their own number? - Also, no mention of lining on any livery, apart form a picture of 36001 in grey with lining and no crests and a picture of it with crests and no lining. Could these be clarified as in both cases its a bit vague? Edited February 17, 2021 by Pre Grouping fan 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KR Models Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 3 hours ago, Pre Grouping fan said: I see its now appearing on the website to place orders. Couple of questions for KR Models: - What is the deal with numbers, as there's no mention on the website of numbering, will there be transfers included for the customer to choose their own number? - Also, no mention of lining on any livery, apart form a picture of 36001 in grey with lining and no crests and a picture of it with crests and no lining. Could these be clarified as in both cases its a bit vague? Sure, I can answer your questions for you. The numbering available will be 36001 with all the available liveries. Prototype Grey no crests will be the lined livery, the others will not be. 2 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opelsi Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Thanks - BR Black one ordered already! Funny thing is - I nearly put it on the Diesel tab on my spreadsheet! lol Now I have an image in my mind of (when they are on the layout) a pairing of the Leader and GT3 together and asking a non-enthusiast to pick the steam locomotive? Really excited by the KR Locos - thanks for taking these on. You make them and we'll buy them! Class 84 next please! lol 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 3rd Rail Exile Posted February 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2021 Ordered - such a weird prototype my "Southern-themed" train set couldn't do without it! Thankfully, the F*ll is "out of area"! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GandT Trains Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just ordered mine 5 mins ago..! Thank you KR Models for releasing it in primer grey - all the easier to re-spray it into Malachite Green with Sunshine Lining/Lettering - Now there's an idea... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Zero Gravitas Posted February 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18, 2021 I’d really like to order one, but all I get when I try and get to the kr models website is a “HTTP error 500”... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Had a look at ordering but website appears to be broken unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
decauville1126 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 21 hours ago, KR Models said: Sure, I can answer your questions for you. The numbering available will be 36001 with all the available liveries. Prototype Grey no crests will be the lined livery, the others will not be. Might I just ask a question in case I've missed it somewhere earlier. Will there be enough room to allow for rewheeling to suit P4/18.83mm gauge? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KR Models Posted February 18, 2021 Author Share Posted February 18, 2021 17 minutes ago, decauville1126 said: Might I just ask a question in case I've missed it somewhere earlier. Will there be enough room to allow for rewheeling to suit P4/18.83mm gauge? Thanks. This is all part of the design process. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) Mine just ordered - no crest grey. Bit of a stetch to justify it by calling it a new build for the preserved railway, but hey, its my model Can i also say, truly biblically brilliant customer service from KR models as well Edited February 18, 2021 by Edge 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 46 minutes ago, Edge said: Bit of a stetch to justify it by calling it a new build for the preserved railway, but hey, its my model That's what rule #1 is all about! That way I can justify not only this but the GT3! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Jackson Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 I'm in for the black version Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
70E Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Can anyone tell me if they take payment upfront or at the time of despatch. On checkout you have to tick 'I have read the T&C's' box yet there are none to read? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 You pay in advance but you can pay by instalments. The website isn’t working properly at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgeconna Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Just placed my order via Instalments and it worked fine. Grey lined for me 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles73128 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Georgeconna said: Just placed my order via Instalments and it worked fine. Grey lined for me Yep. Me also. No problems. Grey crest for me! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndg910 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I’ve been debating these for my SR and GW layout since it was announced and I could stretch to one in prototype grey. 36001 was delivered in July 48 and so Rule 1 could allow a few early test runs in late 47 with the loco marshalled on a test train before the Black Death encroached on everything! But it would need a dynamometer car and another rake of coaches. Hmm! Before I know it I’ll be in for £500+. Afraid I’ll pass and stand firm this time. I applied the same rule to The Kerosene Castle when that was announced and in hindsight that was the right decision. I’m sure it will be a fantastic model and I look forward to seeing one but it doesn’t quite fit my Grouping era setup. Disappointed yes but realistic definitely! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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