F-UnitMad Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 9 hours ago, RichardT said: ......a sweeping generalisation based solely on skin colour/ethnic origin? Which is, by the way, the very definition of racial prejudice Oh, silly me. I thought racial prejudice was "unreasonable hostility toward people of another race or color", not just an acknowledgement of a general reality. There are plenty of white people who aren't interested in trains, either. I couldn't give one jot whether someone is interested or not, regardless of their ethnicity. Why the matter of race has come up at all in the affairs of the G.O.G. I have no idea; nor what anyone intends to do about it. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold jollysmart Posted September 10, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) On 09/09/2020 at 22:16, F-UnitMad said: That is slightly different. My wife likes going to preserved railways with me. It doesn't make her an enthusiast, though. The same with me but in both cases one of us is an enthusiast and that is really why we are there. Edited September 11, 2020 by jollysmart 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I was under the impression that the main issue is the management style used by the current MC not being in the long-term interests of the Guild. Some people don't care, others are happy others think it's unacceptable. I believe that the reform group's intention was to avoid any splits and attempt to change things from within. As an Ex member I voted with my feet last time this issue came up, 1999. I would expect an amount of current members will now do the same. Marc 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted September 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Furness Wagon said: I was under the impression that the main issue is the management style used by the current MC not being in the long-term interests of the Guild. Some people don't care, others are happy others think it's unacceptable. I believe that the reform group's intention was to avoid any splits and attempt to change things from within. As an Ex member I voted with my feet last time this issue came up, 1999. I would expect an amount of current members will now do the same. Marc I think it is fair to say that many people have a bit of reluctance to embrace change. Perhaps that reluctance grows stronger as we get older. I know mine has. Taken in its entirety, the Reform Group Agenda was maybe trying to change too much, too quickly. If they had concentrated on the financial control and accountability issues and not gone down the whole "total reboot and modernise everything" route, they may well have got more support and that may have included mine. Trying to get votes from a mostly rather old fashioned electorate on a "modernise, use new technology, out with the old ways" platform (If I read it that way, I am sure others did too) was perhaps not how I would have gone about it. For somebody who said they don't like to get involved in the political side of things, I have been rather drawn in a bit. So I will just say that I like what the new management have said so far and will give them every chance to make a difference and I will leave it at that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whart57 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 11 hours ago, t-b-g said: The thing is, I tend to treat all people equally. I don't make a big thing out of their skin colour, sex or age. I fact, I don't make anything at all of it. So when people start making a big thing of it, I see it as perpetuating the problem, not solving it. I am lucky that I do know a handful of very good female modellers and one chap from a Jamaican background. I just see them as fellow enthusiasts. I am not at all sure that any of them would want attention drawn to the fact that they are rare examples in our white, old, male hobby. They just want to be fellow enthusiasts too. I am happy to respect that. I am not saying you don't, however I am also aware from my own meanderings in the hobby that a true commitment to equality is a bit rarer. Model Railway enthusiasts, even the old white men among them, are not the Ku Klux Klan, but unthinking put downs of women or foreigners are common. No offence intended but no awareness of any offence either. That is the danger. If everyone is from a narrow social demographic then there is no-one who detects and tries to correct prejudicial attitudes. It's not about individuals, it's about the groupthink and whether that is unhelpful in expanding into a wider social environment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenL Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Who is the murderer in the crime tv show. You can bet the first suspect is the foreigner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 minute ago, SvenL said: Who is the murderer in the crime tv show. You can bet the first suspect is the foreigner. I tend to watch foreign crime tv shows... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 47 minutes ago, SvenL said: Who is the murderer in the crime tv show. You can bet the first suspect is the foreigner. In higher class shows it's usually the Butler that did it... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted September 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2020 2 hours ago, F-UnitMad said: In higher class shows it's usually the Butler that did it... I don't recall seeing one where the Butler did it. Usually the staff are 100% reliable. The family and friends are another matter! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve W Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Having a 'side interest' in 0 scale and and on occaisons wondered whether I should join the Guild I have followed this thread with interest. That said, it has (like most threads) deviated wildy from the OP's original question and probably has provided all the information he could have hoped for. Perhaps's it's time to put this one to bed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted September 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2020 2 hours ago, SvenL said: Who is the murderer in the crime tv show. You can bet the first suspect is the foreigner. It may well be. However the bumbling Inspector and his dutiful assistant, INVARIABLY start off by arresting the far too obvious suspect. As the show goes on, either the amateur sleuth or a junior police officer, correctly identifies the real murderer, to the embarrassment of the Inspector, or in some cases a very senior officer who is corrupt. Of course a slight variation on the theme, allows the murderer to get him/herself arrested, because they are VERY obvious, too obvious in fact, so they get released. What is safer, than to have been arrested, then released? The last person to be guilty! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whart57 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 4 hours ago, SvenL said: Who is the murderer in the crime tv show. You can bet the first suspect is the foreigner. Agatha Christie has done some nice twists though. The narrator was the murderer in the Murder of Roger Ackroyd, and in And Then There was One (other non-PC titles are available) the murderer was one of the victims But why is there always a murder? In Morse there are always more stiffs in a single episode than the real City of Oxford have in a year. And the colleges wouldn't be able to survive the attrition on senior academic staff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doncaster Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, kevinlms said: I don't recall seeing one where the Butler did it. Usually the staff are 100% reliable. The family and friends are another matter! .....then you need to watch "Murder by Death," a marvellous comedy film with a stellar cast. Oops, spoiler alert... Cheers, Vernon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
009 micro modeller Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, whart57 said: But why is there always a murder? In Morse there are always more stiffs in a single episode than the real City of Oxford have in a year. And the colleges wouldn't be able to survive the attrition on senior academic staff. Similarly, didn’t somebody a few years ago work out that Midsomer County (in Midsomer Murders) has a higher murder rate than certain, particularly lawless areas of Colombia? Edited September 10, 2020 by 009 micro modeller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 51 minutes ago, whart57 said: In Morse there are always more stiffs in a single episode than the real City of Oxford have in a year. Stiffs? Ah, we're getting back on topic to the Guild membership, I see.... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
009 micro modeller Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 3 hours ago, kevinlms said: where the Butler did it. Other, similar titles are available. Is it bad that I misread this initially? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Happy Hippo Posted September 10, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2020 I think that the Reform Group were trying to contest four of the twelve MC places. So hardly a take over bid. The reformation of the G0G would then have been a possibility, but at the same time, would have been a very long drawn out affair. There would not have been the wholesale slaughter of the unbelievers. The (incorrectly attributed) elderly, white, racist, misogynistic, bigots in the membership would have continued to foam in apoplexy at the young upstarts, but coarse scale would have not been thrown out at a moments notice.............. No mention has been made of what would have happened to the narrow gauge and broad gauge fraternities, nor those who are modelling US outline stuff, whom are members of the G0G, but use 1/4" to the foot scale. As for all those lepers who meddled in live steam................... Less informed comment would have had the Reform Group boiling those heretics alive in tar! 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocor Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, whart57 said: Agatha Christie has done some nice twists though. The narrator was the murderer in the Murder of Roger Ackroyd, and in And Then There was One (other non-PC titles are available) the murderer was one of the victims But why is there always a murder? In Morse there are always more stiffs in a single episode than the real City of Oxford have in a year. And the colleges wouldn't be able to survive the attrition on senior academic staff. I think that Midsomer looks like a really pleasant place to make a move to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold jollysmart Posted September 10, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, rocor said: I think that Midsomer looks like a really pleasant place to make a move to. Probably plenty of empty houses to choose from and demand must be low give the mortality rate? 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenL Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Ah Happyhippo You heard of the Roman candle lit garden For the garden railway I planned? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohmisterporter Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I gave up my membership many years ago but if memory serves the application form did not ask the applicant's colour/religion/country of birth/or gender. Date of birth was on the form IIRC. So most talk about demographics must be based on assumptions and witnessing fellow attendees at shows. Hardly the most reliable methodology. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted September 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2020 6 hours ago, 009 micro modeller said: Similarly, didn’t somebody a few years ago work out that Midsomer County (in Midsomer Murders) has a higher murder rate than certain, particularly lawless areas of Colombia? Certainly, there would be a requirement for a new police building, with teams of detectives specialising. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fail safe Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Not surprising this thread has gone quiet - so has the Guild I'm told, with little of real new modelling interest on its forum. I don't think anyone really cares what the Guild is or does anymore as its become so marginal. Good job we have RMweb and Facebook groups! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 The guild forum has always been a bit quite in comparison to say facebook or RMweb and dont forget these online communities will seem to have gone quiet in comparison to the last few months because we have just been through an unprecedented high in activity in locked down but now people are easing out and doing other things. On the other hand any talk about change withing the guild has died away after the AGM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fail safe Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Just that RMweb is interesting and diverse, and the Guild forum is always so boring and predictable. I've found so much more on here since I've left the Guild. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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