hayfield Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 I have bought a delightful 4mm Southwold loco which was initially designed for a Graham Fairish N gauge chassis, it now comes with an etched chassis and the option to build it to 12mm gauge, which sounded good Where can I get some wheels its a 2-4-0t needing 2'6" drivers and 2' front wheels, both using 2mm axles. The likes of Gibson and Markits do not go down that small and have larger axles Once the wheels have been solved thoughts on gears and motors would be welcome Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 How about Sharman wheels? I've had a set of the 2'3" wheels off them since they became available again. https://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk/products/sharman-wheels/4mm-steam-locomotive-driving-wheels/2-3-3-9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) Is there any older N gauge loco from which drivers could be salvaged? Something like the old Farish 94xx with coarse wheels springs to mind. Edited July 19, 2020 by PatB 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 As it happens I do have a dead Graham Fairish 0-6-0 chassis (no idea which one) that is in pieces, and I do have a couple of micro motors. I was hoping for something more 4mm scale Does anyone have an idea what those modelling UK 4mm scale 3' gauge use for wheels please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, pete_mcfarlane said: How about Sharman wheels? I've had a set of the 2'3" wheels off them since they became available again. https://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk/products/sharman-wheels/4mm-steam-locomotive-driving-wheels/2-3-3-9 Pete thanks, for spoked wheels I would have to go for either 3'3" or 2' 9" but the wheels would have to be bushed down to be able to accept 2 mm axles (the frame is too small to accept 1/8th bushes Do these bushes exist please Edited July 19, 2020 by hayfield Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 38 minutes ago, hayfield said: As it happens I do have a dead Graham Fairish 0-6-0 chassis (no idea which one) that is in pieces, and I do have a couple of micro motors. I was hoping for something more 4mm scale Does anyone have an idea what those modelling UK 4mm scale 3' gauge use for wheels please I think all Farish 0-6-0s were mechanically identical, at least during the Poole era. I wondered if cutting out alternate spokes would make them look more 4mm, in the same way that I've seen done, to good effect, to 00 wheels used for 0-16.5. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Is there anything suitable available via the 3mm scale society? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, alastairq said: Is there anything suitable available via the 3mm scale society? Thanks but I am not a member, but there is a company/chap who supplier 3 mm scale kits and parts. Trouble is Markits wheels do not go down to this size, plus axle size issues Edited July 19, 2020 by hayfield Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Asterix2012 Posted July 19, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 19, 2020 I have bought one of these recently as well and you have made me aware of this issue as I had not looked too closely at the kit as yet. I see on the Gibson catalog this which I wonder could be what we need? 4M68 10 x 1/8” to 2mm. bore reducing bearing/sleeve 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 16 hours ago, pete_mcfarlane said: How about Sharman wheels? I've had a set of the 2'3" wheels off them since they became available again. https://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk/products/sharman-wheels/4mm-steam-locomotive-driving-wheels/2-3-3-9 Now should I go for 2'3" or 2'9" as the 2'6" are disc wheels? 4 minutes ago, Asterix2012 said: I have bought one of these recently as well and you have made me aware of this issue as I had not looked too closely at the kit as yet. I see on the Gibson catalog this which I wonder could be what we need? 4M68 10 x 1/8” to 2mm. bore reducing bearing/sleeve This would be a great benefit for the Sharman wheels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 3 hours ago, hayfield said: Pete thanks, for spoked wheels I would have to go for either 3'3" or 2' 9" but the wheels would have to be bushed down to be able to accept 2 mm axles (the frame is too small to accept 1/8th bushes Do these bushes exist please Some of the smaller Sharman wheels (including the ones I got) have 2mm axles, so you may be lucky. It should say on the page for the wheels. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Asterix2012 Posted July 19, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 19, 2020 I found 10mm wheels listed in another section “the millimetre range” https://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk/products/sharman-wheels/the-millimetre-rangea/the-millimetre-wheel-range-driving-wheels/sw-s400 trouble is they show out of stock otherwise 2’9” give more clearance for a gear or 2’3” are close enough for well worn tyres. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 minute ago, pete_mcfarlane said: Some of the smaller Sharman wheels (including the ones I got) have 2mm axles, so you may be lucky. It should say on the page for the wheels. Pete Thanks this is a game changer, just out of interest which ones did you settle on ? Now a pair of 8mm wheels are required Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 I've got a set of these: https://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk/products/sharman-wheels/4mm-steam-locomotive-driving-wheels/2-3-3-9/sw-s10 They're going to go under a Worsley Works Falcon tram engine (of the kind used on the Wantage Tramway). Despite all the warnings about quality on the Phoenix website, I can't see any issues with them. I had a set of P4 ones - they seem to be out of stock of the OO/EM version though. There's also these, although they have the Manning Wardle double boss: https://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk/products/sharman-wheels/4mm-steam-locomotive-driving-wheels/2-3-3-9/sw-m22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Asterix2012 Posted July 19, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 19, 2020 They have them listed but out of stock https://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk/products/sharman-wheels/4mm-bogie-and-tender-wheelsa/4mm-bogie-and-tender-wheels/sw-m390 Gibson do 8mm 8 spoke And 6 spoke wheels with 20mm pinpoint axles For 4mm OOn3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share Posted July 20, 2020 19 hours ago, Asterix2012 said: They have them listed but out of stock https://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk/products/sharman-wheels/4mm-bogie-and-tender-wheelsa/4mm-bogie-and-tender-wheels/sw-m390 Gibson do 8mm 8 spoke And 6 spoke wheels with 20mm pinpoint axles For 4mm OOn3 That's the reason for the further request for alternative suggestions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 2'3'' wheels by Sharman are a bit of a headache - the question I'd ask is does anyone do a small enough final drive gear at a sensible ratio? Paul A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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