97xx Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 I've come across an old Lima Mk1 RB (I think), with replacement bogies, one of which has fallen off in any case. Not the epitomy of fidelity I can see but I'm tempted to rebogie it, add a bit of detail rather than consign it for disposal. A few questions of the community if I may: The livery which is early British Railways yet with specific LMS designation - is this authentic and does it suggest very early BR period? Is it an RB? What bogies should it have to be period correct? Commonwealth (post-1957 ish?) or does that conflict with the LMS livery? Any other comments welcome, and I appreciate that it's questionable if it's worth much time and effort, or expense...! Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted July 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2020 Mark 1 and built with Commonwealths 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted July 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2020 Oh and I brass sided mine to improve the looks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
97xx Posted July 24, 2020 Author Share Posted July 24, 2020 Super, thanks! Probably the 'easy' option is Bachmann CW bogies - but a bit pricey albeit that wheels included. Any other recommendations? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 57 minutes ago, 97xx said: Super, thanks! Probably the 'easy' option is Bachmann CW bogies - but a bit pricey albeit that wheels included. Any other recommendations? http://www.replicarailways.co.uk/spares-and-accessories/accessories might have something of interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted July 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2020 Replica are easier, I have fitted Replica B4 and B5 to various Lima Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 (edited) The problem I had when fitting Replica Commonwealths to Lima Mk1s was that using the correct size 14mm wheels the flanges touched the underside of the floor if the ride height was anything like correct. I ended up having to cut slots in the floor to allow space for the wheels. Edited July 24, 2020 by giz Photo added 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2020 37 minutes ago, giz said: The problem I had when fitting Replica Commonwealths to Lima Mk1s was that using the correct size 14mm wheels the flanges touched the underside of the floor if the ride height was anything like correct. I ended up having to cut slots in the floor to allow space for the wheels. A common problem with many Lima coaches and the GUV when replacing the under diameter pizza cutters originally fitted with the correct diameter wheels. Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said: A common problem with many Lima coaches and the GUV when replacing the under diameter pizza cutters originally fitted with the correct diameter wheels. Mike. Been there - got the tee-shirt; many, many times! Worth it, though - Lima coaches scrub up very well with a repaint and re-line. John Isherwood. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted July 25, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2020 14 hours ago, 97xx said: What bogies should it have to be period correct? Commonwealth (post-1957 ish?) or does that conflict with the LMS livery? The LMS lettering is entirely a figment of Lima's imagination and should be removed. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-fan Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) Lima actually did release a Commonwealth bogie on some of their RES GUV's. This is a direct pushfit to the underframe. Was the "Dining Car" and Roundel applied to an RBR?. Edited July 25, 2020 by GWR-fan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 25, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2020 Don't think they carried the roundel and the wording would be BUFFET RESTAURANT CAR - between the two doors at the left-hand end (corridor side) and between the two doors at the right-hand end (kitchen side) https://railsofsheffield.com/products/39743/Hornby-r4971-oo-gauge-br-w-lined-maroon-mk1-rb-passenger-coach-no-w1739 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 20 hours ago, GWR-fan said: Lima actually did release a Commonwealth bogie on some of their RES GUV's. This is a direct pushfit to the underframe. Was the "Dining Car" and Roundel applied to an RBR?. The CW bogies fitted to Lima RES GUV's were way under scale, better to use Replica Rail versions with Romford 14mm wheels although slots needed to be cut in the underframe for clearance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
97xx Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 On 25/07/2020 at 02:48, kevinlms said: The LMS lettering is entirely a figment of Lima's imagination and should be removed. I assume they have somehow got it muddled with/from this sort of livery?! https://www.Bachmann.co.uk/product/category/554/lms-50ft-inspection-saloon-lms-crimson-lake/374-875 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
97xx Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 At the point of reglazing. I have bought SEF 'flush' glazing but frankly not sure it looks very good - the upper vent windows in particular are like 'bubbles'. What are people's views on: living with the original (which I have polished up nicely) accepting the thick body sides Installing SEF AND the original as a sort of 'keeper' (per SEF instructions) Cutting roof up to remove original and using SEF only. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted March 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14, 2021 Comet sides? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted March 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14, 2021 I have used SEF on a Lima Mk1 (the fictitious BRT one) and a Loadhaul 122 converted from a 117. I kept the orginal Lima glazing and used it to hold the SEF in place on the Mk1, which seems more secure. I've knocked a couple out on the 122. No major problem, easy to refit, but having the Lima glazing behind didn't seem to cause any major problem. I agree it doesn't look great in the small opening windows, but at the same time it still looks better, I think, than the original. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
97xx Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) Tried the SEF and 50:50, so left out for now. For those interested, work included: Bachmann commonwealth bogies on brass bushes (removing underframe to clear flanges) Adding some interior detail (buffet counter, wood panelling, table colour, a few 'customers') Adding plasticard propane boxes Adding second battery box - made up from scribed plasticard Removing all roof water pipes, vents and weld lines Removed Lima buffers and added BR ones Removed end water pipes Adding correct number of welded sections to roof using Archer arcweld transfers Adding correct clamshell vents and Ventaxias Added end handrails Repainted roof Stripped Frankenlivery from body (see original pictures at top of post) Added strips of 10 thou plasticard rod for window vent draught preventers Added steps to solebar Primed body/underframe Masked sides, blew in underframe and ends in weathered black Masked ends/underframe and repainted, relined, named and numbered sides Added C1 and solebar transfers Satin varnished the lot Things I know that remain incorrect, some of which I could fix: Missing the rectangular kitchen vent - might add later Probably need stepboard on bogie below BOTH emergency exits - only did one, but can do other Probably should have removed carriage end steps, although not 100% sure whether I might be OK as I haven't added later OLE flashes (is that when steps were removed?) Stars for water connection points on solebar? Curtains I'm sure we can debate the precise positioning of the 'Buffet Restaurant Car' but I have enough examples of variations to be happy enough... So far it's only cost me a pot of paint and the vents as everything else was around. Some of the transfers we 40 year old Methfix - worked perfectly. This is what I've ended up with: Edited March 16, 2021 by 97xx Forgot buffers 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 52 minutes ago, 97xx said: Stars for water connection points on solebar? The stars indicate the position of the cords for releasing any vacuum in the brake cylinders. There would also be EMERGENCY LIGHTING POINT markings on the solebar; plus FILTER and MAIN TANKS TO BE FILLED WITH DRINKING WATER ONLY markings on the ends. John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyMay Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 BR Mk1 coaches have a superficial resemblance to LMS Period III coaches, but not if you know what you're looking at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
97xx Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 6 hours ago, TonyMay said: BR Mk1 coaches have a superficial resemblance to LMS Period III coaches, but not if you know what you're looking at. Yes, I've subsequently spotted that and imagined it was why Lima tried it as an 'LMS Dining Car'. Bad choice though as RB was late Mk1 anyway... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
97xx Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 7 hours ago, cctransuk said: The stars indicate the position of the cords for releasing any vacuum in the brake cylinders. There would also be EMERGENCY LIGHTING POINT markings on the solebar; plus FILTER and MAIN TANKS TO BE FILLED WITH DRINKING WATER ONLY markings on the ends. John Isherwood. Thanks John. The 'main tanks' annotation - would that have been on the ends of an RB with underframe as opposed to end-fill roof water tanks? Anyway, my 40-year old transfers don't have that detail so I can't apply it. I was very conscious that as much as possible I needed to 'make do' else I'd end up spending as much on modifying a fundamentally out-dated and fairly poor model as buying a new Hornby RB! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, 97xx said: Thanks John. The 'main tanks' annotation - would that have been on the ends of an RB with underframe as opposed to end-fill roof water tanks? Anyway, my 40-year old transfers don't have that detail so I can't apply it. I was very conscious that as much as possible I needed to 'make do' else I'd end up spending as much on modifying a fundamentally out-dated and fairly poor model as buying a new Hornby RB! To the best of my knowledge, the lettering would have been located on the vehicle end - but I am open to correction. John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 On 16/03/2021 at 21:51, cctransuk said: To the best of my knowledge, the lettering would have been located on the vehicle end - but I am open to correction. John Isherwood. No water filling pipes on the end of a RB. On the frame there should also be buckeye exam, steam heat overhaul (SHO then date) brake overhaul (BO then date). Al Taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossdp Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I have seen some Lima Mk1 coaches with the inside of the think window surrounds painted black to disguise their thickness. Does seem to have some beneficial effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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