DonnyRailMan Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Why don't Hornby produce a Gresley A1 Flying Scotsman in the full detail Hornby Railways range. Yes the do the A3 version of Flying Scotsman in Hornby Railways full detail range but why not the 4472 in the A1 class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted July 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2020 My money is waiting for an as restored to LNER livery for Alan Pegler 1963-5 version 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted July 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said: My money is waiting for an as restored to LNER livery for Alan Pegler 1963-5 version Never thought of this before, but I could get away with running one like that as I'm doing late sixties but a bit tight as it went to the US in 69 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 They do. Its in the current catalogue. As built, with GNR Tender https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/lner-a1-class-4-6-2-4472-flying-scotsman-era-3.html What they haven't done (and maybe this is what the OP is referring to) is 4472 in 1928 condition for the first non-stop runs. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted July 26, 2020 Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 That's my point Hornby only do Flying Scotsman A1 (apart from A1 tts railroad) in bog standard railroad version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 IMHO one of the first two A1s in GNR livery is long overdue. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 13 hours ago, DonnyRailMan said: Why don't Hornby produce a Gresley A1 Flying Scotsman in the full detail Hornby Railways range. Yes the do the A3 version of Flying Scotsman in Hornby Railways full detail range but why not the 4472 in the A1 class. R3736 not good enough? c1923 form, or are you as G BOAF asks, wanting a 1928-on version with lowered cab and chimney but still r/h drive? I guess you would need a 4475 'Flying Fox' and re-naming re-numbering , and suitable corridor tender.... not sure which model would be the cheapest donor. Here is R3736 and here is a photo-edited 4475 renamed etc will remove if required. I presume this is a bit like what you are after? cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 10 hours ago, No Decorum said: IMHO one of the first two A1s in GNR livery is long overdue. 1470 'Great Northern' years ago was done and is still around s/h albeit in LNER livery... Hattons photo. Is the GNR livery hugely different apart from tender sides? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, robmcg said: Is the GNR livery hugely different apart from tender sides? A fair bit. https://www.nnrailway.co.uk/portfolio-items/gnr-n2-1744/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 18 hours ago, No Decorum said: IMHO one of the first two A1s in GNR livery is long overdue. Only if they think they will sell . NRM still have the C1 in GNR livery for sale, after how many years ?. The GNR livery is different from the LNER version but only slightly , compared to say SR and SECR liveries a different ballgame for the punter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, micklner said: Only if they think they will sell . NRM still have the C1 in GNR livery for sale, after how many years ?. The GNR livery is different from the LNER version but only slightly , compared to say SR and SECR liveries a different ballgame for the punter. Not as different as SR and SECR, granted, but you’d never mistake one for the other. https://www.hattons.co.uk/60205/hornby_r3187_class_n2_0_6_2t_1744_in_gnr_green/stockdetail.aspx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 11 hours ago, robmcg said: R3736 not good enough? c1923 form, or are you as G BOAF asks, wanting a 1928-on version with lowered cab and chimney but still r/h drive? I guess you would need a 4475 'Flying Fox' and re-naming re-numbering , and suitable corridor tender.... not sure which model would be the cheapest donor. Here is R3736 and here is a photo-edited 4475 renamed etc will remove if required. I presume this is a bit like what you are after? cheers Great photos . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 I would be happy with the same tooling of the railroad tts Flying Scotsman version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, DonnyRailMan said: I would be happy with the same tooling of the railroad tts Flying Scotsman version. So what you are actually after (in more precise terms than you original post) is a 1928 condition Scotsman, i.e. with A1 boiler, Composite Loading Gauge (reduced height cab, dome, chimney, bufferbeam cut outs), Right Hand Drive, Corridor Tender. Correct this has not been done by Hornby. Which is surprising. It was the 'stock scotsman' of the Margate in 1980s and 1990s. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 The Hornby Flying Fox has the small cab cut outs circa 1935. Gladiateur I believe has the larger cut outs, as does A3 Book Law (ski jump version) .I havent checked the later releases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 A1s are ok, does it have to be FS? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Hroth said: A1s are ok, does it have to be FS? No it dose not have to be Flying Scotsman 4472 but i wold like one. All I mean is Hornby have not got a the Gresley A1 in the Hornby Railways range . Something like what robmcg as posted on this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted July 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, DonnyRailMan said: No it dose not have to be Flying Scotsman 4472 but i wold like one. All I mean is Hornby have not got a the Gresley A1 in the Hornby Railways range . Something like what robmcg as posted on this thread. What do you mean they don’t have an A1 in the range. They have plenty of A1’s. Robs pictures are both A1 class in the main range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 5 hours ago, DonnyRailMan said: No it dose not have to be Flying Scotsman 4472 but i wold like one. All I mean is Hornby have not got a the Gresley A1 in the Hornby Railways range . Something like what robmcg as posted on this thread. Oh, I see what you mean now. If Hornby are going to do an A1 rather than an A3 as a Railroad model, they may do FS, though two FS in Railroad guise (as an A1 and as an A3) might be confusing to some buyers as Railroad is targetted at "beginners". If they DID release an A1 in Railroad, it might be more appropriate to use a different loco, perhaps choosing one that stayed in A1 form* until scrapped so it could carry a mind-boggling range of liveries... * IANAL but I suppose some must have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 6 hours ago, Hilux5972 said: What do you mean they don’t have an A1 in the range. They have plenty of A1’s. Robs pictures are both A1 class in the main range. Here is another of those main range A1s... as mentioned 2569 'Gladiateur' available from time to time second hand, as this one was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted July 28, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2020 33 minutes ago, robmcg said: Here is another of those main range A1s... as mentioned 2569 'Gladiateur' available from time to time second hand, as this one was. And I’d hazard a guess that that one is in 1928 condition, suitable for what Donny is looking for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 45 minutes ago, Hilux5972 said: And I’d hazard a guess that that one is in 1928 condition, suitable for what Donny is looking for. Indeed. So far as I know. I'm a bit confused and presume Donny ants one like that with the correct 4472 and name. If you want a Railroad Flying Scotsman there is the recent R3086 , this is a Hattons photo, Not a bad model , no ski jump here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Wrong cutouts on Cab, not seen till 1935. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted July 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2020 If Hornby decide to backdate the model, why not go right back to when it first appeared in GNR livery, GNR tender with rails and numbered 1472? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shunny Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 I am hoping they retool the A1 next similar to the new LMS princess and then we won't have the Ski slope issue anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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