RMweb Gold Richard_A Posted July 29, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2020 I'm currently working on a rake of these for an eventual South Wales based layout, the only pictures I can find of these trains are in black and white. I'm assuming that the presflos are in bauxite livery and I cannot see any branding on the sides of them. The period I'm interested in is the 70's to the mid 80's, so would anyone be able to confirm my supposition at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 hour ago, rka said: I'm currently working on a rake of these for an eventual South Wales based layout, the only pictures I can find of these trains are in black and white. I'm assuming that the presflos are in bauxite livery and I cannot see any branding on the sides of them. The period I'm interested in is the 70's to the mid 80's, so would anyone be able to confirm my supposition at all? The ones I saw at Lawrence Hill in the mid-1970s were cement-over-bauxite livery, some with 'Trader's Labels'. I looked at Hollar's labels, but couldn't see a sheet for 'Aberthaw'. There were always a few Vanfits for bagged cement, similarly labelled and liveried. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Richard_A Posted July 29, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2020 Thank you, what do you mean by traders label? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 22 minutes ago, rka said: Thank you, what do you mean by traders label? They were paper labels, about A3-sized, with the customer's name and logo on them, pasted on the side of a wagon. They were supposed to be removed after unloading, but would happen is that they'd either be left, or partially removed. This link should give you some idea:- https://www.wizardmodels.ltd/3_manufacturer/hollar-models/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Richard_A Posted July 29, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2020 Hmm interesting, would the wagons which headed west towards Carmarthen be in block trains or most likely be mixed. I have the books freight trains of Wales and the western region in Wales but they don't have much in the way regarding freight west of Swansea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 2 hours ago, rka said: Hmm interesting, would the wagons which headed west towards Carmarthen be in block trains or most likely be mixed. I have the books freight trains of Wales and the western region in Wales but they don't have much in the way regarding freight west of Swansea. I left the area in 1973; from observations before then, I'd say the Presflos would normally have been part of a mixed freight. There was still domestic coal, and other traffic to Carmarthen at that time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted July 29, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2020 This was one of my regular link jobs as a freight guard at Canton in the 70s. Hymek until they were withdrawn followed by class 37, pick up empty traffic from Long Dyke for Rhoose and Aberthaw works (both owned by Aberthaw Cement Co.), both vanfits and presflos for both Rhoose and Aberthaw. Rhoose was dealt with first, then the train taken to Aberthaw Station. Rhoose loaded traffic was left on the down loop platform road, and the loco ran around to pick up the Aberthaw empty portion to draw back and propel it on the down main to Aberthaw West GF where I got to play at being a signalman in a proper signal box building. Traffic exchanged for loaded, we proceeded on the up main back to Aberthaw Station (Blue Anchor), past the power station junction to set back on to the loaded Rhoose traffic in the down platform, attach tail lamp, perform brake test, walk back to loco, give driver the load, right away Long Dyke, uncouple, light engine Canton,, proper old school railway work with a bit of shunting and handsignalling, well earned beer. So, between Aberthaw and Long Dyke, the train consisted of vanfits, presflos, more vanfits, and more presflos. These were shunted out at Long Dyke into Bristol and Carmarthen portions and worked to those destinations by Bath Road and Carmarthen locos and traincrews overnight. I seem to remember seeing presflos in a class 7 train for Carmarthen, which accords with what Fat Controller says, and the Lawrence Hill traffic was worked as a block class 6 train, All vehicles were in standard BR fitted bauxite livery, but this was sometimes difficult to determine under the cement dust; it was a filthy job and I wore overalls under a dust coat for it. Vanfits and presflos were in circuit working IIRC and had traders' labels, the Aberthaw Cement A over C in a grey and black hexagon logo. 2 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Richard_A Posted July 30, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2020 Thank you, that makes some sense to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Something a bit different at Carmarthen was the almost certainly unique Presflo with extra pipes. The purpose of this conversion was not recorded at the Derby Rolling stock library. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brpresflopipe Presflo at Carmarthen https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpresflo/e2095b870 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpresflo/e3c2b47e1 Found them clearly shows the Aberthaw cement Traders label https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpresflo/e3297ee8b https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpresflo/e267c28ea https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpresflo/e272fc1cd https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpresflo/e3ee30e77 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpresflo/e3cd7fb06 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpresflo/e23256b60 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpresflo/e3cec82d5 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpresflo/e320929d9 (Oil Well cement with remains of a AW label same wagon, clearer writing but probably not in AW traffic at the time https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpresflo/e2d057cc7 ) Wagon Pool 7075 was for Abercrete. https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpresflo/e388a42fd https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpresflo/e38be81f2 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpresflo/e21b12971 The Aberthaw cement lorries appear to have been kept very clean - they are behind this at Plymouth Friary https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpresflo/e21ce5298 And a few others at Carmarthen - https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=carmarthen I probably have more. Incidentally the 29 May 1978 was exceptionally hot! Julie insisted we go to the beach after this photo session. Paul 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Richard_A Posted July 30, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2020 That's great thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Aberthaw and the nearby Rhoose cement works were owned and operated by the "Aberthaw & Bristol Channel Cement Co." . From recollection, the only privately owned Presflos were built for (i) Associated Portland Cement Manufacturers aka 'Blue Circle', and (ii) Tunnel Cement. . By default, the Presflos working from Aberthaw would (or should) be the BR built/owned examples. . In addition, the both works despatched a lot of bagged cement in 12 ton vans. . Brian R 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Richard_A Posted July 31, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2020 That's brilliant thank you, got more presflos on order, now to get some an kits ordered too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 1, 2020 The Aberthaw Cement turn at Canton (6C96?) was, incidentally, a 94xx or 56xx job in steam days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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