Widnes Model Centre Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Can anyone understand why there is a £10 price difference on the Class 17's? They all appear to be the same model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 hour ago, AY Mod said: ............. E99939 OO London Underground 1938 Tube Stock, 4-Car Motorised Train - 1960s Northern Line Set 349.95 ...... Didn't want one earlier this morning, now I really do want one ! ridiculous. . 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted August 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Widnes Model Centre said: Can anyone understand why there is a £10 price difference on the Class 17's? They all appear to be the same model. Some are weathered. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harvey Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 One upside of EFE Rail is that it gives Bachmann extra stuff to market and deliver without taking up capacity in the Kader factory. Good to see the N Class 17 in so many liveries. 2 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted August 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 4, 2020 42 minutes ago, chris p bacon said: Although there is nothing in this release of products to interest me*, it's refreshing to see product release without 2 years of frothing and begging for money. * I like the underground stock but don't fancy lifting the floorboards to run it. Floorboards? You're lucky, I'd have to cut through concrete 1 13 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted August 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 4, 2020 Just now, The Stationmaster said: Floorboards? You're lucky, I'd have to cut through concrete Why? Surely that is what the sewers pipes were designed for Roy 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Two clarifications Are the DJM J94s now being produced by EFE (Bachmann) or KMRC and sold via EFE? Are there any improvements to the Tube Stock body shell - the handrails still seem moulded (which is annoying as late-life '59 stock had no corner handrails)? Will it be possible to buy a motorised chassis to upgrade existing EFE models? I know Bachmann no longer sell chassis but this would seem like an easy winner given the number of tube sets out there 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted August 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, G-BOAF said: Are there any improvements to the Tube Stock body shell - the handrails still seem moulded (which is annoying as late-life '59 stock had no corner handrails)? '38 stock kept its corner handrails until the end though didn't it? Roy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Roy Langridge said: I have to admit, the lines seemed a little blurred on the reuse of Heljan tooling and who owns what looks to be the ex-DJM tooling? Roy If the tooling has not been paid for 'In Full' then the factory owns it, not the company who spent the customers money on Hollidays & Cars. So the tooling is there to be used 'IF' a customer can be found, the Clayton has been offered around for some time now. Charlie 5 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted August 4, 2020 Author Moderators Share Posted August 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, G-BOAF said: Are the DJM J94s now being produced by EFE (Bachmann) or KMRC and sold via EFE? Kernow/EFE Rail commissioned a run of Austerities from the factory which has ownership of the tooling and will be distributed through the EFE rail brand. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainwright1 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, G-BOAF said: Two clarifications Are the DJM J94s now being produced by EFE (Bachmann) or KMRC and sold via EFE? Are there any improvements to the Tube Stock body shell - the handrails still seem moulded (which is annoying as late-life '59 stock had no corner handrails)? Will it be possible to buy a motorised chassis to upgrade existing EFE models? I know Bachmann no longer sell chassis but this would seem like an easy winner given the number of tube sets out there Quite agree. I have five four car sets and three two car sets of the original EFE tube stock: 1938, 1959 & 1962 stock varieties. Motorising chassis would be most useful and economical. I cannot see a large number of people rushing out to pay £350 for a new four car set particularly with those heavy moulded handrails still in place. The re-issue of the J94/Austerity is interesting. Dapol produced Waggoner as one of its original J94s, however it was a different version with the lip-less chimney for the underfeed stoker and also had a different style of nameplate. Will have to check if the LMR version has been done before. I think that the price for these is reasonable, especially with the motor/gear upgrade. All the best Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 NCB Austerity for me I think. Always been fond of the Blue/Yellow engines. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted August 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, wainwright1 said: Will have to check if the LMR version has been done before. I think that the price for these is reasonable, especially with the motor/gear upgrade. All the best Ray Errol Lonsdale was done: https://www.hattons.co.uk/299260/dj_models_dave_jones_ooj94_099_class_j94_0_6_0st_no_196_errol_lonsdale_in_longmoor_military_railway_livery_/stockdetail.aspx Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted August 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, Roy Langridge said: Why? Surely that is what the sewers pipes were designed for Roy Only if you are modelling the Waterloo & City 2 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted August 4, 2020 Author Moderators Share Posted August 4, 2020 Video now added to OP. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Phil Parker Posted August 4, 2020 Administrators Share Posted August 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, wainwright1 said: Quite agree. I have five four car sets and three two car sets of the original EFE tube stock: 1938, 1959 & 1962 stock varieties. Motorising chassis would be most useful and economical. I cannot see a large number of people rushing out to pay £350 for a new four car set particularly with those heavy moulded handrails still in place. We don't know what, if any, modifications have been made to fit the new motorised chassis. There's not much potential saving to be made if you have to buy the chassis and interior. I'd guess that while you might be happy modifying your model, lots wouldn't, and dealing with customers who have broken either the body or new chassis would be quite an overhead. It might make sense if they did direct sales, but producing a large batch of chassis to feed out through the trade probably make it uneconomic. Given the choice, I suspect that many people will send their unpowered sets to eBay and happily stump up for a RTR model, even with moulded handrails. 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guarded Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 I live in Barnet,so naturally Im interested.Rode these many times in the early '70s when my Mum used to go to Oxford St and drag me round C&A(always skilfully avoiding Hamleys...) 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Is there a website for this range? I had a look on Bachmann/Kernow and couldn’t find this stuff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted August 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Edge said: Is there a website for this range? I had a look on Bachmann/Kernow and couldn’t find this stuff https://railsofsheffield.com/manufacturer-efe-rail-JJJM177 http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/b/201/EFE-Rail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainwright1 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, Roy Langridge said: Errol Lonsdale was done: https://www.hattons.co.uk/299260/dj_models_dave_jones_ooj94_099_class_j94_0_6_0st_no_196_errol_lonsdale_in_longmoor_military_railway_livery_/stockdetail.aspx Roy Correction - Dapol did Warrington in Army green. Had a quick trawl, through the internet, though not 100% conclusive. Hornby did around three versions in LMR livery and DJ Models did one. I think 196 might have been done by both, but this new one appears to be 195, so offers another version. DJM also did Royal Engineer in Army Green and Waggoner is the other army one preserved on the Isle of Wight. All the best Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, Edge said: Is there a website for this range? I had a look on Bachmann/Kernow and couldn’t find this stuff https://www.Bachmann.co.uk/category/model-railway/eferail 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, scottystitch said: https://railsofsheffield.com/manufacturer-efe-rail-JJJM177 http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/b/201/EFE-Rail thank you, it appears I jumped the gun a teeny bit 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted August 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, wainwright1 said: Correction - Dapol did Warrington in Army green. Had a quick trawl, through the internet, though not 100% conclusive. Hornby did around three versions in LMR livery and DJ Models did one. I think 196 might have been done by both, but this new one appears to be 195, so offers another version. DJM also did Royal Engineer in Army Green and Waggoner is the other army one preserved on the Isle of Wight. All the best Ray Not quite sure what you think was incorrect in my post? Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37501 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Delighted to see the PBA Tiger wagons. I missed out on the pristine ones when Kernow did them and wasn’t happy with the weathered ones as I do my own weathering. Even better is the news that they should be available this year. John 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted August 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Mike Harvey said: One upside of EFE Rail is that it gives Bachmann extra stuff to market and deliver without taking up capacity in the Kader factory. Good to see the N Class 17 in so many liveries. An interesting move . I wonder if we will see completely new models from EFE Rail manufactured in factories other than Kader . I would have thought so , as presumably they want to extend the brand . The 1938 stock will be a success . Surely the iconic London Tube train , no matter what you model you may go out and buy it , a bit like Hornbys Rocket . I get taking over the DJM stuff , totally puzzled at the Hymek though . So Heljan maybe used a factory but didn't own the model and this model is now available to other brands ? I thought there had been a recent re release of the Heljan Hymek, so would have thought there might be limited uptake on this one . Totally puzzled but fascinated at this latest move. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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