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5 hours ago, Mel_H said:

They don't bombard you with emails, and when they have a 'clearance' you have to be quick as I suspect the list is large (there's worldwide interest in LT). They do have some good bargains occasionally. And, you also get that nice warm feeling that you're supporting the museum which, this week's email told me, costs £25,000 per day to run.


that makes it a very expensive railway museum. 

if they are this high, my first question would be, Why ?

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33 minutes ago, adb968008 said:


that makes it a very expensive railway museum. 

if they are this high, my first question would be, Why ?

A big property like that bang in the middle of Covent Garden can't be cheap

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Speaking to the owner of Scoonie Hobbies on Saturday and he was trying to order some more class 17's and there were only 2 versions left in stock at Bachmann, it would seem that sales have been good so hopefully this will see more added to the range in future.

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48 minutes ago, Sails said:

A big property like that bang in the middle of Covent Garden can't be cheap


according to the accounts, lease payments are £800k per annum.  For those interested, you can go to companies house and read through the museum’s results.   It’s a pretty big entity in its own right.   I’d say £800k operating lease is good value for a central London site.  Clearly , it’s a help to the area to have several big tourist draws to the area.   

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Quick question re the tube stock.

I bought a 4-car set in red livery with cream around the windows., for the Northern Line. This was the very 1st release many years ago. Since then there have been various other releases. Are they all the same models, in different liveries? Or have different moulds been used?

 

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7 minutes ago, stewartingram said:

Quick question re the tube stock.

I bought a 4-car set in red livery with cream around the windows., for the Northern Line. This was the very 1st release many years ago. Since then there have been various other releases. Are they all the same models, in different liveries? Or have different moulds been used?

 

Stewart

The trailer and NDM (none driving motor) cars are externally identical across all three types. The driving cars have different ends, the 1938 units and the 59/62 units. The 59/62 units although basically identical have different marker lights. Several changes have been made to the IoW 1938 units over the years principally the sealing of the end emergency doors and the marker lights. All of these changes have been accommodated on the static models produced. 

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56 minutes ago, Clearwater said:


according to the accounts, lease payments are £800k per annum.  For those interested, you can go to companies house and read through the museum’s results.   It’s a pretty big entity in its own right.   I’d say £800k operating lease is good value for a central London site.  Clearly , it’s a help to the area to have several big tourist draws to the area.   


I just looked at the accounts, it looks to be a very healthy museum, with accounts that most preserved lines can only dream of...  and a considerable amount to hand in cash.

Good luck to them, but they ain’t bleeding.

 

I’d be more concerned about most of the others around the country.

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16 minutes ago, PhilJ W said:

The trailer and NDM (none driving motor) cars are externally identical across all three types. The driving cars have different ends, the 1938 units and the 59/62 units. The 59/62 units although basically identical have different marker lights. Several changes have been made to the IoW 1938 units over the years principally the sealing of the end emergency doors and the marker lights. All of these changes have been accommodated on the static models produced. 

Just to be pedantic, I take it these are physical changes to the moulds rather that printing/paint changes (the latter being something quite common on the bus range)? (And I am talking models here, not the prototype).

 

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2 hours ago, adb968008 said:

I just looked at the accounts, it looks to be a very healthy museum, with accounts that most preserved lines can only dream of...  and a considerable amount to hand in cash.

Good luck to them, but they ain’t bleeding.

 

I’d be more concerned about most of the others around the country.

“Most of the others” - I wasn’t aware that there were other London Transport Museums around the country!

 

Oh, I see, you’re comparing the costs of running a national museum, with its huge collections of unique items (not just railway rolling stock) to which it has a duty of  observation & curation to professional standards and which makes these collections accessible to hundreds of thousands of visitors a year, to a small preserved railway.

 

They are completely different things.  The LTM, and the NRM, are the core national collections. They cost a lot of money to run because of that. That does not mean that they don’t need support.

 

And now, back to the topic...

 

Richard T

 

 

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Toned it down a bit.
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1 hour ago, RichardT said:

“observation & curation to professional standards and which makes these collections accessible to hundreds of thousands of visitors a year, to a small preserved railway.

 

They are completely different things. 

Yes, very different.

National museums, are owned and run by the government. It is a well oiled, well heeled machine and good luck to it., providing careers to curators backed by charitable donations from global institutions.

 

Preserved lines live off a shoe string, With turnover less than the LT museums cash in hand, without government support, providing an equally professional product, in a more practical manner, in locations off the global tourist map. Once they are gone, they are gone, including all that wealth of experience that money cannot buy, and without £381k of benefit dinners*


Everyone makes their own choice where to donate money, deserving charity and needing it are different, certainly at my level of the food chain, looking at item 15 (corporate sponsors) the likes of Deloitte, Microsoft, Fuijitsu & 30 odd others, etc will help them far more than I can.
 

time to move on.


*item 4 in companies house balance sheet for 2020.
 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, PhilJ W said:

The trailer and NDM (none driving motor) cars are externally identical across all three types. The driving cars have different ends, the 1938 units and the 59/62 units. The 59/62 units although basically identical have different marker lights. Several changes have been made to the IoW 1938 units over the years principally the sealing of the end emergency doors and the marker lights. All of these changes have been accommodated on the static models produced. 

 

3 hours ago, stewartingram said:

Just to be pedantic, I take it these are physical changes to the moulds rather that printing/paint changes (the latter being something quite common on the bus range)? (And I am talking models here, not the prototype).

 

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As the only change is the cab ends its quite possible that they have separate moulds for the two basic versions with modifications made if a slightly different version is required. AFAIK the tube stock models have only had cosmetic changes such as livery without any alterations to the moulds. It is more common for a model to be changed when the existing moulds wear out when the opportunity to upgrade and improve the details is often taken.

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Hidden in the "Special Interests" part that nobody looks in though.

 

If Hornby announced a new pannier tank* then I wouldn't expect to find the information in the GWR section. 

 

Just surprised more than anything.

 

 

*Yeah I know there's not much chance of that

 

 

 

Jason

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