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There were three diagrams for the DPUs in the winter 1962-63 service, based on Leamington, Stafford Road and Tyseley.  They are not without complexities.  For instance, each car visited Stourbridge Junction but from different directions.  The Stafford Road worked in multiple with a 3-car set for part of the day and each diagram involved the haulage of loco-hauled parcels vans.  I'll make sense of it if anyone likes but it will delay the next episode of Class 116!

 

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20 minutes ago, chrisf said:

There were three diagrams for the DPUs in the winter 1962-63 service, based on Leamington, Stafford Road and Tyseley.  They are not without complexities.  For instance, each car visited Stourbridge Junction but from different directions.  The Stafford Road worked in multiple with a 3-car set for part of the day and each diagram involved the haulage of loco-hauled parcels vans.  I'll make sense of it if anyone likes but it will delay the next episode of Class 116!

 

Chris

 

Would be great if/when you have time, Chris but don't hold up the 116 thread, which is quite fascinating. The 122 bubble car diagrams are no doubt a similar quagmire!

 

I remember the parcels cars  on the North Warks and also at Snow Hill (usually with tail loads). Presumably the fourth Tyseley car would be maintenance spare. 

 

Sorry to divert the thread a bit. 

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As it happens, it did not take me long to make sense of the diagrams.

 

WORKING OF DIESEL PARCELS UNITS WINTER 1962-63

 

Set D70

6.0 am MX Leamington – Birmingham SH

7.50 am MX Birmingham SH – West Bromwich

8.21 am MX West Bromwich – Dudley

8.50 am MX Dudley – Stourbridge Jctn

9.40 am MX Stourbridge Jcn – Oldbury and Langley Green

10.28 am MX Oldbury and LG – Stourbridge Jcn

11.15 am MX Dudley – West Bromwich

12.15 pm MX West Bromwich – Wolverhampton

9.55 am MO Wolverhampton – Stourbridge Jcn

12 noon MO Stourbridge Jcn – Wolverhampton

1.25 pm Wolverhampton – Hartlebury [Attached: Brake Van MX Manchester – Kidderminster, Vanfit MX Oldham – Stourbridge, PMV Cardiff – Dudley]

3.50 pm Hartlebury - Wolverhampton [Attached: Stores Van No. 4, att Stourbridge Jcn]

Stables at Wolverhampton SO

6.15 pm SX Wolverhampton – West Bromwich

6.49 pm SX West Bromwich – Stourbridge Jcn [Attached: Brake Van, att Dudley]

7.50 pm SX Stourbridge Jcn – Birmingham SH

9.0 pm SX Birmingham SH – Leamington

Stables at Leamington SX

 

Set D71

6.50 am MX Wolverhampton - Stourbridge Jcn

8.10 am MX Stourbridge Jcn -Wolverhampton

10.20 am MX Wolverhampton – Dudley

11†0 am ThO Dudley – Wolverhampton

11.40 am ThO Wolverhampton – Dudley

12.2 pm MX Dudley – Stourbridge Jcn

12.50 pm MX Stourbridge Jcn – Wolverhampton

2.50 pm SX Wolverhampton – Birmingham SH

4†25 pm SX Birmingham SH – Stourbridge Jcn

6.17 pm SX Stourbridge – Birmingham SH [Att: Set D31, 3 car suburban]

10.25 pm SX Birmingham SH –Wolverhampton [Att: Vans for Reading and Paddington]

 

Set D72

6.0 am MX Birmingham SH – Bewdley [Att: fish van and parcels van for Kidderminster]

8.50 am MX Bewdley – Birmingham SH

11.28 am MX Birmingham SH – Shirley

12†10 pm SO Shirley – Tyseley sdgs

12.10 pm MSX Shirley – Stourbridge Jcn

12†20 pm MO Tyseley sdgs – Tyseley

12.28 pm MO Tyseley – Stourbridge

2.3 pm SX Stourbridge – Stratford

8.25 pm SX Stratford – Leamington

9.25 pm SX Leamington – Birmingham SH

Stables at Tyseley

 

If any of this does not make sense do not hesitate to say so!

 

Chris

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I believe that what is shown as a PMV from Cardiff to Dudley, D70 1.25pm Wolverhampton to Hartlebury, was actually the GWR Palethorpes van. The return working went from Cardiff to Shrewsbury on a Crewe train then to Wolverhampton LL on the Shrewsbury - Paddington parcels.

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I'm enjoying this thread and I've started to plan my next layout, which I would like to run a small parcels train. Does anyone know of any small depots from the 70's 80's I could have a look at for some inspiration? 

 

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1 hour ago, sb67 said:

I'm enjoying this thread and I've started to plan my next layout, which I would like to run a small parcels train. Does anyone know of any small depots from the 70's 80's I could have a look at for some inspiration? 

 

Many thanks.

I asked a similar question - some useful stuff here.

 

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5 hours ago, Gilbert said:

I asked a similar question - some useful stuff here.

 

 

Thanks Gilbert :)

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15 hours ago, sb67 said:

I'm enjoying this thread and I've started to plan my next layout, which I would like to run a small parcels train. Does anyone know of any small depots from the 70's 80's I could have a look at for some inspiration? 

 

Many thanks.

My layout is going to be inspired by Wolverhampton Low Level which was closed to passengers then shortened and used part of the original platforms for parcels in the 1970s, the disused stations website has some good photos. A bay platform such as that at Oxford would be good for modelling parcels handling in a small space too.

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17 hours ago, sb67 said:

I'm enjoying this thread and I've started to plan my next layout, which I would like to run a small parcels train. Does anyone know of any small depots from the 70's 80's I could have a look at for some inspiration? 

 

Many thanks.

If it's part of a station try Wolverhampton High Level in what is now Platform 5. There used to be a parcels depot at the end nearest the station buildings.

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On 9 September 2020 at 19:36, chrisf said:

As it happens, it did not take me long to make sense of the diagrams.

 

WORKING OF DIESEL PARCELS UNITS WINTER 1962-63

 

Set D70

6.0 am MX Leamington – Birmingham SH

7.50 am MX Birmingham SH – West Bromwich

8.21 am MX West Bromwich – Dudley

8.50 am MX Dudley – Stourbridge Jctn

9.40 am MX Stourbridge Jcn – Oldbury and Langley Green

10.28 am MX Oldbury and LG – Stourbridge Jcn

11.15 am MX Dudley – West Bromwich

12.15 pm MX West Bromwich – Wolverhampton

9.55 am MO Wolverhampton – Stourbridge Jcn

12 noon MO Stourbridge Jcn – Wolverhampton

1.25 pm Wolverhampton – Hartlebury [Attached: Brake Van MX Manchester – Kidderminster, Vanfit MX Oldham – Stourbridge, PMV Cardiff – Dudley]

3.50 pm Hartlebury - Wolverhampton [Attached: Stores Van No. 4, att Stourbridge Jcn]

Stables at Wolverhampton SO

6.15 pm SX Wolverhampton – West Bromwich

6.49 pm SX West Bromwich – Stourbridge Jcn [Attached: Brake Van, att Dudley]

7.50 pm SX Stourbridge Jcn – Birmingham SH

9.0 pm SX Birmingham SH – Leamington

Stables at Leamington SX

 

Set D71

6.50 am MX Wolverhampton - Stourbridge Jcn

8.10 am MX Stourbridge Jcn -Wolverhampton

10.20 am MX Wolverhampton – Dudley

11†0 am ThO Dudley – Wolverhampton

11.40 am ThO Wolverhampton – Dudley

12.2 pm MX Dudley – Stourbridge Jcn

12.50 pm MX Stourbridge Jcn – Wolverhampton

2.50 pm SX Wolverhampton – Birmingham SH

4†25 pm SX Birmingham SH – Stourbridge Jcn

6.17 pm SX Stourbridge – Birmingham SH [Att: Set D31, 3 car suburban]

10.25 pm SX Birmingham SH –Wolverhampton [Att: Vans for Reading and Paddington]

 

Set D72

6.0 am MX Birmingham SH – Bewdley [Att: fish van and parcels van for Kidderminster]

8.50 am MX Bewdley – Birmingham SH

11.28 am MX Birmingham SH – Shirley

12†10 pm SO Shirley – Tyseley sdgs

12.10 pm MSX Shirley – Stourbridge Jcn

12†20 pm MO Tyseley sdgs – Tyseley

12.28 pm MO Tyseley – Stourbridge

2.3 pm SX Stourbridge – Stratford

8.25 pm SX Stratford – Leamington

9.25 pm SX Leamington – Birmingham SH

Stables at Tyseley

 

If any of this does not make sense do not hesitate to say so!

 

Chris

 

Thanks for this - it's very interesting - am I right in thinking that D72, 2.3 pm SX Stourbridge - Stratford is likely to have travelled via the OWW (Kidderminster, Worcester, Evesham, Honeybourne) and then north to get to Stratford rather than back via Old Hill, Snow Hill, Tyseley and the North Warwicks?  

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41 minutes ago, MidlandRed said:

 

Thanks for this - it's very interesting - am I right in thinking that D72, 2.3 pm SX Stourbridge - Stratford is likely to have travelled via the OWW (Kidderminster, Worcester, Evesham, Honeybourne) and then north to get to Stratford rather than back via Old Hill, Snow Hill, Tyseley and the North Warwicks?  

 

It routed via Snow Hill / NW in the summer '62 WTT.

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18 minutes ago, MidlandRed said:

 

Thanks for this - it's very interesting - am I right in thinking that D72, 2.3 pm SX Stourbridge - Stratford is likely to have travelled via the OWW (Kidderminster, Worcester, Evesham, Honeybourne) and then north to get to Stratford rather than back via Old Hill, Snow Hill, Tyseley and the North Warwicks?  

No, it went all stations to Rowley Regis then Snow Hill connecting with the Shrewsbury - Paddington Parcels. After Snow Hill it shunted into the yard at Tyseley before continuing to Hall Green, Shirley and Stratford. It later returned via Leamington to Snow Hill.

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Not sure if WR activity is of interest but these pics from one day in 1980's (I never kept any notes) show the GWR 150 livered 121 and DPU coming in from the London end at Reading station, I assume as a parcels train? Very modellable with units from Heljan and Kernow.

 

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